I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

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The only poster I definitely remember having on my dorm wall was the Pussy Galore one that I got with the "Right Now" album because I have always been one cool mothercuddler

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 September 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link

I think the problem with edgy teenage behavior in 2019 isn't that it exists -- it always has -- but that it's become the default tone in online interactions. When transgression becomes a norm, it loses all meaning. Teen angst about a world that doesn't understand you, that you need to challenge, only goes so far.

It's mostly a manifestation of insecurity and the realization you lack the skills to cope out in the world as an adult. It's not the world doing you wrong, it's the realization you have no idea how to deal with the world and idolizing antiheroes and outcasts is a coping mechanism.

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 16 September 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link

lol NV, that reminds me of seeing Jon Spencer live a few weeks ago. he seemed paranoid that one of the posters over the merch table was going to fall down and was leaning over to affix roughly a dozen pieces of tape to make sure it stayed up

something about the boring insecurities of adulthood, posters, etc etc

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 16 September 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

Watching Arthur trudge up and down a long outdoor staircase evokes The Exorcist and its demon, Pazuzu, sometimes referred to as a clown called Captain Howdy.

Boy Howdy

Françoise, Laurel, and Hardy (K. Rrosé), Monday, 16 September 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link

Is there projectile vomiting in this movie? If I had to guess I would say: probably.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link

It's how the kids on the street communicate in 80s Gotham

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 September 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link

Todd Phillips' dark take on the Batman villain will not play at the theater where a massacre took place during a 2012 screening of 'The Dark Knight Rises' as family members of those killed ask the studio to donate to gun-victim charities.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/aurora-shooting-victims-voice-concerns-joker-emotional-letter-warner-bros-1241599

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/lbTr5rz51G

— tim macgabhann (@el_fodongo) September 18, 2019

Françoise, Laurel, and Hardy (K. Rrosé), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link

there is a similar meme w marquee moon that i like better

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link

Four Tickets for Joker would be a pretty good album title.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link

"Four tickets for Joker & two tickets to paradise"

Françoise, Laurel, and Hardy (K. Rrosé), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link

One ticket to Crazytown; population two... you and THE JOKER hehehehehaAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA JOKERTIME BABY!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link

Surprised this is going to show in 70mm at my city’s main arthouse theater (the Music Box).

And at AFI Silver. Dangitallsomuch....

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link

So, the reason this is garnering so much discussion is because it's manipulative as hell, and purposefully withholds information which is crucial to determine what is going on. Technically, it's very good, but as a political or social film, it's worthless. It's impossible to discuss, since it's impossible to determine whether or not something very very very important actually happens or not. And without that information, it's just pointless to take it any further.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 10:06 (four years ago) link

the day the laughter died ;_;

honk hunk blue (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link

he seems nice

Girls Trip grossed $115.2 million in the United States and Canada and $24.9 million in other territories for a total gross of $140.1 million, against a net production budget of $19 million.[3] Deadline Hollywood calculated the film made a net profit of $66.1 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues.[19]

Crazy Rich Asians grossed $174.5 million in the United States and Canada, and $64 million elsewhere, for a worldwide gross of $238.5 million, against a production budget of $30 million.[4] In October 2018, it became the highest-grossing romantic comedy of the last 10 years, and the 6th-highest-grossing ever.[102] Deadline Hollywood calculated the net profit of the film to be $120.8 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues.[81]

The Big Sick grossed $42.9 million in the United States and Canada, and $13.4 million in other territories, for a total gross of $56.2 million.[3]

In the film's limited opening weekend, it made $421,577 from five theaters (a per-theater gross of $84,315, the best of 2017 until Lady Bird in November), finishing 17th at the box office.[34] The film expanded to 2,597 theaters on July 14, 2017, and was projected to gross $9–11 million over the weekend.[31] It grossed $7.6 million over the weekend, finishing fifth at the box office.[35] On July 25, the film crossed $26 million, becoming the second highest-grossing independent film of 2017.[36][37]

Fuck Todd Phillips and his ilk.

With all my comedies- I [continues to explain for another 5,000 words in the pages of Vanity Fair that he has been silenced by PC SJWs gone mad]

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link

Maybe white men just aren't funny?

look the real tragedy here is the world may never get to see Road Trip 3

honk hunk blue (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link

spare a thought for todd, forced to make the $55m sad clown movie for a major studio in order to supplement his meagre income

Director Todd Phillips called in to promote his latest film, 'The Hangover 2,' the inevitable sequel to his surprise hit: "It was an R-rated comedy with no big names in it...they [studio execs] were not banking on it."

To get it made, Todd traded his fee for points on the back end: 10% of the film's gross after its first $80 million--when it made $500 million worldwide, Todd netted around $45 million: "That deal wasn't available to me this time around." Todd said the film also made for the highest-selling comedy DVD ever, netting him even more.

So I guess this film is autobiographical? He wasn't allowed to make the world laugh so he settled for making the world burn.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link

The latest Jacobin article really goes off imo pic.twitter.com/rJ7hhpSIK7

— Sturgeon's Law (@Sturgeons_Law) October 1, 2019

(not really jacobin, it's from a collection of academic essays about the joker)

soref, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link

I've read some reviews indicating the motivating factor for the Joker's in-film popularity is his stance against the rich being in power, as in a noted billionaire in the movie running for mayor. Waiting for the think pieces about how he's actually antifa, when this take (if it's the route the film assumes) is more like a caricature of a violent occupy movement

In any case, I don't think any superhero filmmaker is going to be useful at accurately or sympathetically portraying real life politics with any nuance and worst we get a retread of The Dark Knight Rises with people dumping the rich in the street and trying them in kangaroo courts

mh, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link

Should I assume that's set to a currently popular song?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link

song from 2005, Laffy Taffy by D4L

my favorite joker meme is the jeb bush over election map juxtaposition

mh, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link

y'all just pretending like the new joker ain't the second coming of Jeb! pic.twitter.com/0ywWPMdJP7

— Anarcho-Juche🇰🇵Septuagenarian Sex Dril Bro (@JohanBarbarossa) September 22, 2019



an example

mh, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

purposefully withholds information which is crucial to determine what is going on. Technically, it's very good, but as a political or social film, it's worthless. It's impossible to discuss, since it's impossible to determine whether or not something very very very important actually happens or not. And without that information, it's just pointless to take it any further.

what do you mean by all this? what is it that you feel you can't talk about? please spoil away!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link

How big is Jokers wang in this

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link

We all know that the Joker's real origin story was that he worked as comedian, but that his edgy humor no longer played well on college campuses.

— caspersatz 👻 (@casersatz) April 3, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link

Pretty sure he was just an average upper middle class white dude who was told 'no' for the first time and immediately went insane.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link

A friend just realized he thought Todd Phillips was Todd Solondz.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link

Now THERE'S a missed opportunity.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link

A friend just realized he thought Todd Phillips was Todd Solondz.

The playwright from Fear, Anxiety, and Depression becomes the Clown Prince of Crime. Me, I want to see Todd Haynes' Joker

Françoise, Laurel, and Hardy (K. Rrosé), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link

purposefully withholds information which is crucial to determine what is going on. Technically, it's very good, but as a political or social film, it's worthless.

so....its a movie

all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link

but not a film

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link

Time was a movie cost a nickle

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

Then they took the Bible out the schools

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

its pronounced fillum

all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link

feeyulm

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link

its pronounced fillum

Had a teacher (gym coach forced to teach actual classes) who pronounced it this way. We watched about three fillums a week in his "class."

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link

Were these...dirty fillums

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link

its pronounced durty

all over bar the shouting (im here for the shouting) (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link

I can't help but notice that people like John Waters who make genuinely shocking, outrageous films don't go around whining in interviews how everyone is so mean and unfair for getting shocked and appalled at the film they made.

— Mario Bava's Green Gel Light Filter (@Ruby_Stevens) October 1, 2019

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link

no one:

absolutely no one:

me: i fixed the joker trailer by putting it to "drama queen (that girl)" by lindsay lohan from the 2004 film, confessions of a teenage drama queen
— Anne Sundell (@anne_sundell) - 1 Oct 2019

Françoise, Laurel, and Hardy (K. Rrosé), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link

i don't want to see this but i have some thoughts.

i think it's very possible the movie is sympathetic to joker, in some twisted way, just like todd phillips' first movie was sympathetic to its subject, GG Allin. america is soft on self-pitying narcissists who are willing to hurt others to get attention, especially if they're white men. or in any case, it encourages the behavior (cf. the current president, whose name escapes me).. in the trailer the joaquin phoenix voiceover mentions that he "didn't even know he existed" and felt like he needed validation in the mass media to feel "real" and this seemed -- not like an original idea at all -- but like an extremely american pathology. it's very possible the movie does end up saying something illuminating about why we're so broken.

i think the question of whether it will "inspire" violence seems a little alarmist. it's not like you can predict what will set people off.

treeship., Thursday, 3 October 2019 11:04 (four years ago) link

i don't want to see this but i have some thoughts.

mods new board descrip pls

i mean, the movie seems incredibly glum and self-important and of all characters in cinema history none has been more mined to death than the joker, avatar of "chaos."

who would see this?

treeship., Thursday, 3 October 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link


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