PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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How does this keep happening:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/14/tories-extend-poll-lead-to-12-despite-week-of-political-chaos

pomenitul, Sunday, 15 September 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

Tiny samples and push-poll style questions?

coup de twat (suzy), Sunday, 15 September 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link

I think you have to take polling with pinch of salt.

This poll is done by Opinium. The same company had the Tories with a 19 point lead in late April 2017, roughly 6 weeks out from election date. They did gradually downgrade that, but still gave the Tories a 7 point lead on election day.

Maybe they've improved their methodology since then. I'm not saying they're wrong, but I wouldn't have any confidence in them being right either

anvil, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link

It's almost as if polls are propaganda weapons

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link

the pollsters that got it bang on last election: Survation have the tories on a 5 pt lead and i wouldn't be surprised if their own private internal polling data is telling them much different. And I can live with that because they are on course to lose if true.

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link

The polls aren't there just to bolster the Tories but they get it wrong because things are so febrile and polarised and they say nothing about the geographical picture. There's no reason to get either excited or worried by them right now.

Matt DC, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link

boris spending half his life in northern marginals these days says that he is worried, and if they don't make gains there and lose to the libdems in some of their own turf, and theyve already lost scotland: bring on the fucking coalition of chaos.

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link

but I'm not getting carried away, but see some glimmers of hope and reckon they will be making Cummings lose sleep as well.

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link

I'm not remotely optimistic, the Tories will win the election, and they'll be relying on the Lib Dems for a majority this time.

The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link

I'm taking those last few Scottish polls as a given that they will lose at least 10 of those 13 seats there to the SNP. They've got hell on to make gains in the north and a wouldn't a ConDem alliance be a bit problematic with both of them on different drugs atm?

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

A Labour government would back a Royal Commission into "all" drugs laws

If experts back decriminalisation or legalisation of cannabis, cocaine or heroine, Corbyn likely to follow

Diane Abbott says all options on the table. War on drugs could end https://t.co/VhLwe2QyTW

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) September 15, 2019



This is a good policy and they should go with it.

gyac, Sunday, 15 September 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link

It is a good policy and they should pay it no mind unless it creates electoral advantage

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

The only positive about Tom's scenario will be the reaction of FBPE Twitter when the LibDems go back into coalition in exchange for a Soft Brexit.

Matt DC, Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link

Obviously a Labour government is way more likely to give them what they actually want, ie no Brexit at all, so obviously they're railing against the very idea.

Matt DC, Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link

Swindowlicker was not interrogated in the least as to why she finds government as the junior partner to Corbyn-led Labour so objectionable if there’s a chance of no Brexit through winning a ratification referendum. Andrew Marr doing bad journalism part 674664754 obvs

coup de twat (suzy), Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link

Also, this is LOL:

Boris Johnson asks a fortune teller for her prediction. He didn't predict she would destroy him and his politicspic.twitter.com/WeB1kD7OBE

— #BlackSwan (@TheBirmingham6) September 15, 2019

coup de twat (suzy), Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link

articulating what she doesn't like about Labour would require her to admit that she loves the austerity and taking money off big fracking etc.

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link

They're not going to get a soft brexit, they'll agree to no deal in exchange for a ban on vaping.

Frederik B, Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link

^

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link

''

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link

Ban on Easter Eggs if I know Swinson
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XMm2OsWNvVg/S69pJs_likI/AAAAAAAABc0/8qlC6eNA1nc/s1600/jo-swinson-easter-egg.jpg

Stevie T, Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link

She is such distilled essence of Liberal Democrat Wasteman it's absurd

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link

I choose not to use the feminine conjugation of wasteman

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link

5p tax on plastic bags in exchange for benefit cuts which hugely increase the number of people who have to count their every last 5p

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link

Say what you want about the carrier bag tax it worked.

Also austerity killed thousands of undesirables but swings and roundabouts.

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:48 (four years ago) link

say what you want about austerity but it worked

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link

It certainly achieved its aims

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 September 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link

granted I’m not her target demographic so not particularly predisposed to give her a fair shake... but her delivery here is just... not good. she seems so glib and kinda distracted

Lib Dem leader @joswinson says David Cameron "cannot be forgiven" for calling the EU referendum https://t.co/T0OEQdQJVB #Brexit pic.twitter.com/6MSBtrtdQN

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) September 15, 2019

prorogue mahone (||||||||), Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link

What about the people who propped him up and put him in a position to call it in the first place?

Matt DC, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link

And actively agitated for it!

ShariVari, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link

how is that jo swinson seems to get worse at communicating each and every time i see her

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link

guys guys - knowing what your own party did is the politics of the past

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link

I looked at the Incredible Hulk thing and I don't want to believe it's real.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link

it makes that dunderheaded "perfidious albion on speed" quip from francois seem eloquent and thoughtful.

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link

Just going to leave this here for the Lib Dems claiming they could take Chingford & Woodford Green.
The hype is just ridiculous and journalists need to be challenging this!
If Lib Dems want to stop Brexit they shouldn’t risk getting IDS out #marr #sundaypolitics pic.twitter.com/G63LRHJLJp

— Faiza Shaheen (@faizashaheen) September 15, 2019

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link

deborah unger was great in crash tho tbf

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link

deb-a-dee-dee-deb-a-dee-dee-deba-dee
o deborah
you look like a deposit loser
your sunken face is like a galleon
clothed with mysteries of the Spanish main
o deborah
ay ay ay ay ay

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link

o deborah
you lost your deposit-ah
your sunken etc

[erratum pls insert]

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link

lmao jo swinson targeting a "majority LD government"... that's the LDs that currently sitting on 18 seats...

you'd think Lib Dems mourning the loss of Clegg's seat to an improperly vetted newcomer who has been a bit of a disaster (and I do feel sorry for the guy) would wonder if a party, any party, going from 12 MPs to this mythical 320+ within 2 years might just be a slightly bad idea

a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 15 September 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link

Get out of Westminster

This is forever my favourite video #LibDemConference pic.twitter.com/BjrM76akzv

— Abdi Duale (@AbdiDuale_) September 15, 2019



and talk to people

And a more recent one, due to popular demand #WinningHere pic.twitter.com/NanbVNnJZr

— Abdi Duale (@AbdiDuale_) September 15, 2019

gyac, Sunday, 15 September 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link

very big mood

prorogue mahone (||||||||), Sunday, 15 September 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link

Lib Dems buying into the hard right narrative on Sadiq is it, qwhite an interesting development 👀 https://t.co/R5sJjSIx0z

— Patrick Moûle 🌹 (@patrickmoule) September 15, 2019

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link

good lord why am I listening to Sarah Elliot on Nolan's 5 live show at this time of night? need to neck a couple of co-dydramols with some brandy and hope I can dream about having a holiday in hell next to a lake full of piss!

calzino, Sunday, 15 September 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link

according to the torygraph next week labour are going to unveil their plan to scrap UC starting with short term fixes like end to sanctions, five week wait etc..

calzino, Monday, 16 September 2019 07:29 (four years ago) link

I was just about to link

SCOOP: Labour are set to soon announce plans to scrap Universal Credit in the coming weeks https://t.co/hr7Ox5cH9Q

— Ben Gartside (@BenGartside) September 15, 2019



End to three child limit too (does this also mean the end to the rape clause)?

Great picture of Cromblon looking devious, like he can hear the shrieks of IDS and the DWP.

gyac, Monday, 16 September 2019 08:06 (four years ago) link

I still get shudders at that clip of May in the commons sticking up for the rape clause, that is what a feminist looks like indeed

calzino, Monday, 16 September 2019 08:16 (four years ago) link

Before UC, all benefit claims were activated in around two weeks from the date of application. As a freelancer I’ve had to price in ridiculous delays to payment - try surviving on £50 while an accounts department dithers for a month or two past the date you expected to be paid, without alibi or apology - and that’s horrible enough. Being at the whim of sanctions and what a Capita/Atos person ate for breakfast that day is absolutely soul-destroying, and anyone in my position should be making common cause with claimants rather than saying ‘if I can hack it, so should you’.

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 16 September 2019 08:18 (four years ago) link

sanctions are effectively the first steps to homelessness or you can google "commits suicide after benefits sanctions" to read pages and pages of needless tragedies caused by these evil fucks

calzino, Monday, 16 September 2019 08:35 (four years ago) link

You do have to wonder what strain of crack some people are smoking when they accuse this guy of lacking courage. Having already faced the most sustained, most disgusting character assassination I’ve seen, here he is basically saying “come on then”. https://t.co/I0ttgOcN53

— Socialist Dad (@shirleymush) September 16, 2019

this tweet & the sentiment behind it reminds me of when he was first elected & I’d never heard of him. SV, who did, said if he was elected they’d throw everything at him and so it proved. I was really depressed the second half of 2016 after the referendum and I remember vaguely taking an interest again during the snap election, which was the first time I’d paid attention to Corbyn himself. I remember being really impressed by both him during the campaign and how he handled the stuff thrown at him, like tons of people, and ever since then I think this about him, how tough he is. Tl;dr he is really a lot tougher than people give him credit for.

gyac, Monday, 16 September 2019 08:38 (four years ago) link

He is - I think partly because more than many politicians he is in many ways very ordinary, takes a real interest in all kinds of ordinary people, likes hearing what they have to say, and that allows him to take a broader view and ignore the BS.

the pinefox, Monday, 16 September 2019 09:00 (four years ago) link


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