The September 2019 US Politics Thread is great Great GREAT GR8

juul is aggressively marketed towards children, and should be regulated like cigarettes are. idk about an outright ban, unless you also wanna ban cigarettes

I want to ban cigarettes
and guns
and cars
and strollers

xp

Where is it marketed to children?

No plans to move, this is a pretty quiet semi-suburban, middle class neighborhood. The fact this happened is pretty insane.

I want to ban cigarettes
and guns
and cars
and strollers

― L'assie (Euler),

and Republicans imo

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette-marketing

In a white paper, a team of researchers with Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising have shared their study of the company’s marketing campaign between Juul’s launch in 2015 and fall 2018. They looked at thousands of Instagram posts, emails, and ads, and came to this searing conclusion: Juul’s marketing “was patently youth-oriented.” Juul also appeared to borrow directly from the tobacco industry playbook.

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has a flavored bathroom

read that as "a flavored bottom"

Interesting, I don't think I've ever seen a Juul ad before.

xxp

well you prob don't read a lot of Highlights

I can't remember if it was for Juul specifically but, given that tobacco ads on TV have been nonexistent for my entire lifetime, I was fairly taken aback to see some e-cig commercial on the Food Network of all places a few months back.

ban this shit

In addition to the type of ads posted above, Juul has been placing policy-oriented ads deep inside the front section of the Washington Post regularly for maybe the past couple of years. Pointing out how they have no intention of marketing to kids and how it's all about getting people off regular cigarettes. These are clearly targeted at policy makers, congress etc.

why this in particular ? i don't vape nicotine but is it worse than cigarettes? if we aren't banning those than this should not be banned xp

ban both imo

smoking cigarettes is banned in a shit-ton of places in CA, this crap should be similarly treated imo

ie, as a thing adults can do in their home and p much nowhere else. and no advertising, extensive health warnings all over everything etc.

Tbf I have two good friends who used to smoke cigarettes who have now switched to e-cigs. They're still addicted, but they smoke much less. I think the assumption that it is better for you than conventional cigarettes is as of yet just that, an assumption, and, yeah, often one propagated by the e-cig companies themselves (and often mitigated by the apparently off the charts level of nicotine in the products). The federal move to ban, with "quitting" in mind, does not include tobacco flavored e-cigs, but the talk-tough FDA news conference threatened to take those away if the youth-oriented marketing continues.

hmm when has a company w a tobacco product ever lied about the health risks, let me see if I can think of an example

While I agree that this is a pernicious and underregulated industry, it's a bit rich that there's suddenly so much hue and cry and push for a ban after a few people get sick and die from what appears to be misuse of the product while, y'know...that whole 'guns' thing, not such a big deal.

This was an/the article I recently read about "why this in particular."

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/local/education/helpless-to-the-draw-of-nicotine-doctors-parents-and-schools-grapple-with-teens-addicted-to-e-cigarettes/2019/07/25/e1e8ac9c-830a-11e9-933d-7501070ee669_story.html

“With the Juuls, kids are able to get a much higher dose of nicotine — and dose matters,” Levy said. “These kids have behaviors that we often see in patients who have opioid or marijuana addiction, but we didn’t typically see with kids who developed addiction to traditional tobacco cigarettes.”

...

But doctors say teens consume e-cigarettes at far faster rates than they do traditional cigarettes, with some consuming a pod or more a day — equivalent to the amount of nicotine in a pack of cigarettes. E-cigarette vapor does not burn the throat as much as cigarette smoke does, and its discretion allows consumers to use e-cigarettes more frequently.

(FTR, I'm speaking of this suddenly becoming a sudden Trumpian bugbear. Bulldoze every e-cig factory on earth, imo.)

marijuana addiction lol

yeah i understand people can be "addicted" to weed but that shit is not comparable to fucking opioids

I don't know if you read the article, but it was comparing behaviors: kids stealing to afford their $5 a day Juul habit, kids skipping school/responsibilities to smoke, etc.

yeah still doesn't equate to weed use imo

I mean maybe you didn’t read the article but the quote doesn’t say that either?

As e-cigarettes have skyrocketed in popularity among teenagers in the past two years, pediatricians report seeing teens who behave less like tobacco users and more like patients with substance-abuse disorders.

Some young people have resorted to stealing from their parents or selling e-cigarette paraphernalia to support their habits, addiction treatment specialists said. And even though many teens assume e-cigarettes are safe, some turn up with signs of nicotine toxicity, a condition previously seen in young children who accidentally ingested nicotine gum. Others are reporting respiratory problems. After more than three years of vaping daily, Beauparlant was diagnosed with restrictive lung disease. His mother said she is working with an attorney to file a class-action lawsuit against Juul that would force it to set up treatment centers.

re vape panic, maybe the way to get him out of office is to offer him the Sgt Friday role in a reboot of Dragnet

This is all so sad but also completely absurd. It's like if after everything containing asbestos was banned someone came up with a whole new + fun form of asbestos that appealed to the 8-12 crowd. What could go wrong!!!

yum Strawberry Asbestos

would be a positive development imo, cause that would mean zoomers and millennials could afford real estate to dangerously mismanage.

While I agree that this is a pernicious and underregulated industry, it's a bit rich that there's suddenly so much hue and cry and push for a ban after a few people get sick and die from what appears to be misuse of the product while, y'know...that whole 'guns' thing, not such a big deal.

― Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch),

and...cigarettes!

btw I still smoke my daily cigarette #ColdDeadHands

There is no difference between this and cigs. I had my own favorite spots in high school to smoke too. Including bathrooms

The major difference, amply discussed itt, is that the e-cig industry has nimbly tiptoed around the decades of slow progress made in curtailing tobacco marketing aimed at the youth.

also acceleration of addiction, ease of ability to hide and use, jolly rancher flavor profiles, engagement with social media as the prime method of promotion

But other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

(Abe pulls monomaniacally from his vape pen like an asthmatic in the midst of an attack)

Also vapes smell WAY less horrible than cigarettes.

More children have died in ICE custody that from vaping.. just saying https://t.co/bmkGROBY5D

— Al Cardenas (@AlCardenasFL_DC) September 12, 2019

somewhere jeff sessions sheds a tear of joy

"NYC Council wants to repeal a ban on LGBT conversion therapy": https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-city-council-repeal-ban-on-lgbt-gay-conversion-therapy-avoid-court-20190911-aftmbffxp5c7tfvndve6muoyg4-story.html

The City Council is moving to repeal a ban on conversion therapy to avoid fallout from a pending lawsuit that advocates and lawmakers fear could curtail LGBT protections across the country.

Speaker Corey Johnson, who is gay, will introduce a bill Thursday overturning a law passed in 2017 that banned all forms of LGBT conversion therapy.

The repeal comes after an anti-LGBT Christian group, Alliance Defending Freedom, filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the ban this past January.

Advocates worried that the case could reach the more conservative U.S. Supreme Court – and that a negative decision on the Council’s measure could negatively affect other laws protecting the LGBT community.

Gotta wonder how old Grover is taking it.

Disappointed there were no questions on Obama and Hillary's war on VAPING through the FDA.
If Hillary wins, there will be prohibition.

— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) September 27, 2016

Forget Grover, what about poor Duncan Hunter? First he's indicted, and now this!

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Ms Miller otm

Also vapes smell WAY less horrible than cigarettes.

true BUT something can still be more alarming to smell even if it's 'better'

Al Cardenas, who looks like a ham hock wrapped in several cool layers of prosciutto di parma, otm.

With the announcement that Trump could be implementing a ban on most e-cigarettes, it's worth exploring how harmful this could be to his re-election prospects. There are 13 million adult vapers in the US. They vote. Their families vote.https://t.co/7DfDOpg6O7

— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) September 12, 2019

YES