PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

fwiw the RSPB say there is no evidence that cats are causing any decline in bird populations in the UK

ours have never gone after birds, but given a large proportion of the avian population round here are seagulls, that's not particularly surprising. even the proper outdoor cats stay well away from them

fucks sake why does Watson need a diet book when the son of Oswald Mosley has already made him extremely rich? Fuck off and be fat bastard again and die please!

Pretty sure nobody in or out of the party gives a fuck what Watson thinks the electoral strategy is

it's bad that there is soon going to be an election and that fucking unstable element who might be taking too many supplements is still the fucking deputy leader, and still doing all in his limited power to undermine his own fucking party.

Yeah I notice the Beeb have taken the opportunity to run his bullshit as the main story this morning. Somebody needs to add him to the foundations of Boris's bridge.

Speaking at a Creative Industries Federation conference in London on Wednesday, Watson will argue that Labour can win back the remain voters who deserted it in May’s European elections; but only if it now becomes an avowedly anti-Brexit party.

nice choice of location Tom, sure those web developers are psyched to hear your speech

the fact that the party can't just Cummings him is obviously a plus in the big scheme of things, but how long can you let a high-ish profile MP ego-trip his way round the media undermining the leadership and the membership in the run up to a general election? re previous discussions of Watson's "strategy" it's pretty clear now the only strategy is a bovine need for attention and the fear that he might get cut off from access to some of that sweet nazi payola

nice choice of location Tom, sure those web developers are psyched to hear your speech

Expert crowd for recognizing a div

it’s a phrase i use too often but you really do love to see it

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npm i burnsauce xp

Tom is so pointless, especially given Labour have abandoned the constructive ambiguity and adopted a satisfactory compromise position without going the way of the divisive posturing bullshit of the LibDems. Many of the protest voters of the EU elections are likely to return in a GE anyway.

How about we have a second referendum without Leave on the ballot paper? Why won't Jeremy back it?

This is all so dumb. Labour policy is a referendum between a properly negotiated soft Brexit and Remain. It is extremely unlikely that the EU would bother to go to the negotiating table with a government that had pledged to immediately campaign against whatever deal was agreed so there needs to be a figleaf. The correct approach would be for the leadership to take a netural position, individual MPs have already decided which side they're going to take anyway.

dumb is the word, joking aside i have no idea what he's playing at, don't see how it can be anything other than a cry for attention

the only 24 hour mental health service in manchester, a refuge for you & an alternative to going A&E/calling the samaritans/getting arrested, has been closed. obviously there's a big funding issue but what's curious to me how that is compounded by the face that the decision was made by the local Clinical Commissioning Group, which is an unelected & unaccountable group of GPs who are more vulnerable to these cuts. labour manifesto seems, to my inexpert eyes, good on these points: ring-fencing mental health budget; a new office for budget responsibility to oversee spending; plans for a national care service.

CCGs brought in in 2012 by the coalition naturlich

The correct approach would be for the leadership to take a netural position

If you're going to have any kind of referendum on anything, seems like this is what parties should do anyway, or at least major parties

Also it has to be structured in such a way that the losing side will accept the result as democratically legitimate. This seems virtually impossible at this stage.

the quangoisation of the NHS feels so deeply entrenched now it will take a long time/a lot of reinvestment to put it right but yeah Labour seem to recognise this and have at least started proposals to make it better

there's a long history to be written about public money being handed over to unelected drones - i need a word for them that my brain isn't up to at the moment: the usual suspects, a Centrist/technocrat entitled class who flit from one of these posts to another to considerable personal gain - all in the name of more democracy and more local accountability. since the early mid-90s this is the path of middle class entrenchment across health, education, local business/regeneration, police, the whole web of the social/welfare state. it's gonna be a fuck of a mess to straighten out.

Also it has to be structured in such a way that the losing side will accept the result as democratically legitimate. This seems virtually impossible at this stage.

If is the correct thing to do, and I've no idea if it is, has to be legally binding surely? Otherwise its just more limbo

Simplest (and therefore maybe not best) thing is to do it same day as a GE, on the same piece of paper.

maybe add a box that says "everything to be lovely again (like the 2012 olympics)"

Proroguation unlawful, says highest Scottish court!

Oops.

#awks

Scotland to raise an army and march on London, the French have offered help.

ruh roh

hopefully now the sheriff of scotland can lawfully twat cummings in't heed with a big lochaber

somebody do a quick Downfall redub

should be able to stop them somewhere round Preston

https://www.britishbattles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/1-AAA-Prestonpans-attack-XXX.jpg

So that’ll be the separate Scottish legal system on the block post-Brexit

the Queen'll be wishing she'd never signed off on this shit now the Stuarts are coming back for their throne

It'll take more than an act of parliament to deprive Scottish lawyers of their livelihood.

OH FLOWWERRRRRR OF SCOTLAAAAAAANNNNND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbM2BarUOfY

The court decision is the best news for Johnson. Trying to cancel Brexit via experts is it now?

"the only 24 hour mental health service in manchester, a refuge for you & an alternative to going A&E/calling the samaritans/getting arrested, has been closed.

Really horrible news.

ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE

xp hadn't noticed that abandoned clause there, o well. suspect most parts of the uk haven't ever had 24 hour mental health facilities, just a small part of how abysmal provision is here

hey non-UK lurker question... so why is Tom Watson there? is he elected by the membership, or the result of some kind of factional truce?

xp

certainly don't have them in Hull, which i realised last year while trying to help somebody who made the mistake of being in crisis after 5pm

Watson was elected by the membership as Deputy Leader so can't be deposed from that position by the Leader aiui - why he was elected amounts to a kind of factional check and balance during Corbyn's leadership election, tho i don't remember if anybody who wasn't a centrist enemy of socialism actually stood as deputy

the five candidates were: Ben Bradshaw, Stella Creasy, Angela Eagle, Caroline Flint, Tom Watson

yeah some bullets were dodged

"One party source was anonymously quoted in the Financial Times as comparing a potential contest between Flint and Watson to the hotly contested 1981 deputy leadership election between Denis Healey and the leftist Tony Benn.[16]"

^^^this brain genious is wasted in anonymity lol

Recall Parliament, jail the PM and the Queen, case closed y'lud.

xp lol which one was Benn?

flint is identified in the previous sentence as a blairite and watson as have "clpse links" with the unions

so i'm not really sure lol, it's too nutty to parse easily

it was a straight up Blairite v Brownite scrap looking back on it, looking at that list any combination of two wd've likely ended up the same way. Watson was to the right of Dennis Healey in 1990 when that still took a lot of work

talking up Flinty vs Watson as a classic labour battle of ideologies is like trying to hype up the mercury prize when the two front runners are Gaz Coombes and Rick Witter

Tom Watson at the time was riding high for challenging the Murdoch press in DCMS committee, which was why Max Mosley gave him sweet Nazi Cash, also for paedo-hunting adventures.

Everyone I know voted for Corbyn/Stella Creasy to gender-balance the ticket even though she put pressure on an Asian candidate to stand aside during nominations. White feminism at its finest, yo.