Van Morrison - Payin' Dues (so bad it wasn't released until the 90's)
This contains the only good work Van Morrison has ever done.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
xp beaten to it ;)
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
i think the younger neil fans will stan for Trans but would dump Everybodys Rockin, but maybe its the opposite for his older fans?
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
Actually there's a lot of early disowned records like the ones I mentioned. Alanis has a couple and maybe Y Kant Tori Read counts, except I think she has re-owned that one
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link
Landing On Water has a great vibe but not many great songs. Life is.... well yeah its really pretty bad.
absolute jam from Landing - https://youtu.be/kdxZAvP9t7A?t=68
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
Big fan of "Trans", I've never heard "Everybody's Rockin'" <------- old bastard
― The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Landing on Water is better than people say it is!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
these Tim Pope landing on water videos are great actually!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmiwjKx_Cs
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
"Life" is kinda not that bad?
― The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
xp Re: Neil Young, its got to be 'Everybodys Rockin' aka the 25 minute album he released on Geffen directly after they sued him for 'making music that didn't sound like Neil Young'
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
The lawsuit was a response to Everybody's Rockin. Geffen initially rejected Old Ways and told Neil to make a "rock 'n' roll" album, so Neil happily obliged. Geffen was pissed at what Neil was recording and cancelled the sessions before the album was done, which is one reason it's so short. Then they sued him.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcHeOg3pHhk
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
I'm a huge fan of "Trans". "Everybody's Rockin'" less so. I consider myself an "old" Neil fan, although I am not as old as my dad.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
totally derailing with more Neil here - but one of my time travel wishlist tours would definitely have been the Trans one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMTwfq_jI8
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
Lana Del Rey's Lana Del Ray ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
that concert video is amazing
features quality interpretative dancing from Nils Lofgren
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
I've got it!
― The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
xp Cheers MBJ, I knew it was something like that
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
On my last BH kick, I found it very hard to listen to Butthole Surfers' Weird Revolution
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
Also, its hard to totally dismiss the Smooth Noodle Maps era of Devo because this is such a jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCJoe_4eYU4
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
i did have an image in my head of UMS seeing Neil on the street and yelling, "Neil! Landing on Water! I liked it!"
― omar little, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
Bad Religion - Into the Unknown
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
Mott the Hoople released a couple of stinky stinkers after Ian Hunter split. They shortened the name to Mott, but it was basically the same band, sans their guiding light and anything in the way of listenable material.
― henry s, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
I actually kinda like CCR's Mardi Gras, but it would have been better for the other guys to write their songs and have John sing them. (I'm aware of the history, and that this was not likely to happen.) Most of the songs aren't that bad, but virtually no band needs three lead singers.
― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
Blue Oyster Cult had FOUR singers, and they needed them all, if only to assure that Eric Bloom didn't get any more time behind the mic.
― henry s, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
Calling All Stations
― dinnerboat, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
can't believe I've never seen the video, that's such a perfect ending for the group. still every time I hear that song I can't help but think it was written specifically to get radio play which is something they hadn't really done before. of course their comeback album in 2011 was pretty much all about that and it turned out pretty good
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
Music From 'The Elder' by Kiss used to be in this category I guess? Nowadays it sounds like the album that kicked off the epic fantasy metal genre so probably ripe for reassessment.
― funnel spider ESA (Matt #2), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
Jean-Michel Jarre made several of these in the 00's, he pretty much traded in his entire set up for Pro Tools/Fruity Loops type software and put out some pretty bland downtempo/trance stuff that sounds like royalty-free background music to me. Maybe Metamorphosis doesn't count (because it's actually kinda good) but the other ones - Sessions 2000, Geometry of Love, Teo & Tea - all seem to have been written out of his history already.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
I actually kinda like CCR's Mardi Gras, but it would have been better for the other guys to write their songs and have John sing them
i feel like mardi gras definitely fits the thread but ^^this otm
"Someday.." and "Sweet Hitchhiker" pretty top tier CCR for me
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
According to Wikipedia, Fogerty refused to sing on Doug's and Stu's songs. I bet those were fun sessions.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
yeah him refusing to sing was a total dick move. otoh the other guys really didn't seem to have a clue about how much Fogerty was carrying the band. So he opted to show them in the most publicly humiliating way possible.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
omar little at 11:19 10 Sep 19i did have an image in my head of UMS seeing Neil on the street and yelling, "Neil! Landing on Water! I liked it!"
I WON'T BE SILENCED BY THE MAN!!!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
Not that I've even heard any of these (fitting I suppose) but the first two pre-Debut Bjork albums and the Underworld Mk1 albums
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
this should apply to most of weezer's discography, but doesn't
― ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
Dunno if it’s “off course” but I never hear much talk about the very first Sleater-Kinney record
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
Iggy Pop has several of these - Avenue B, Aprés, Preliminaires, and apparently his new one Free is another.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
That 90's YMO reunion album called Technodon fits; sounds nothing like their previous stuff and you get the impression none of them really wanted to make it. Alfa went bankrupt but still had the rights to the YMO name so it came out as "Not YMO". Apparently it was supposed to be sample-heavy but the fallout from Paul's Boutique made that impossible. Even though YMO's stuff gets reappraised and compiled all the time these days you pretty much never hear about this album. I kinda forgot it exists. It's not that bad, but the songwriting isn't really there and it sounds dated in a way their classic stuff doesn't.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
The first Ministry album
― silverfish, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
'No Talking, Just Head', perhaps?
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
Moby “Animal Rights”. the old ipod it’s on that’s constantly on shuffle tries to play something from it each time we sit down for breakfast. i totally forgot it had some great ambient tracks until it played one recently - was so disappointed in spending my limited budget on it back when it came out i don’t think i ever listened to it all the way through since then.
― scanner darkly, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
yeah that's a good one especially since it comes in the midst of his 'classic period'
Yes arguably have a bunch of these...first one that comes to mind is Open Your Eyes but I think the new one (Heaven & Earth) is even more useless
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
Do most Blondie fans think this about The Hunter? I think it has a number of good songs, and a number that, uh, aren't good.
― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
Discharge's Grave New World, their infamous foray into something vaguely resembling hair metal, might be an example of this. I think that album is due for critical reappraisal, though. Not because it's all that good, but just because that seems like something that would happen.
― JRN, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:42 (four years ago) link
there's a couple of Discharge clone bands that have sort of taken Grave New World as inspiration, but not quite - Thisclose is the main one, but they just sing like Cal on that album, the music is more like trad Discharge
the first Ministry album is different to their other stuff, but is actually good not bad
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
was going to say Genesis' Calling All Stations but someone beat me to it. Also Yes's last one, Heaven and Earth; that has fewer defenders than CAS.
― akm, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
Michael Jackson's Invincible fits even though it would be by far the highest selling album in this thread. even after he died and all his music was playing everywhere all the time you never heard anything from this besides maybe "You Rock My World" once in a blue moon. I don't remember if it's bad or good, in fact I don't remember anything about it
you could probably include all his pre-Off the Wall solo albums too but that's an entirely different situation
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
I don't mean the bad albums, since I assume most fans will at least want to hear bad versions of their favorite artists (especially since you don't actually have to pay anything to do so these days), I mean the ones which just have nothing to do with the artist's classic style
invincible would not fit
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
yeah you're right, I wasn't thinking in terms of sound (again, I can't remember a damn thing about it outside of the single even though I'm sure I've heard it a dozen times) but rather the impact. it was kind of weird that this goliath of pop died which prompted a huge reappraisal of all his work, except for the one album he'd actually put out in the last 15 years
instead let me offer the 80's albums from the fairly successful progressive symphonic rock group Renaissance (Camera Camera & Time Line), in which the group (now a trio) tries their hand at ABBA-style synthpop. I actually thought both albums were okay but I will probably never listen to them again.
final two Gentle Giant albums are in the same boat. Civilian is actually quite decent...as a Cars album. Missing Piece at least had some proggy stuff on it.
Starcastle's Real to Reel, basically a bad Styx album, but even less proggy than that. Basically killed the band.
Triumvirat's final two also seem to fit though I haven't heard them
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
A bunch of those were discussed in a 'prog dinos go wave' thread. ELP, Gentle Giant, Renaissance et al disappointed quite a few hippies with their commercial attempts.
― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
1981 = year of 70s dino rockers w modren/wavo comeback LPs
― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
Nevertheless, the J Geils Band released an album without Peter Wolf and the results were this:
I remember that getting some FM airplay when it came out, for about a week. And iirc, Rolling Stone gave the album four stars, for some reason.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 September 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link
Piano Magic choice would probably be ‘Writers Without Homes’, except (a) i don’t really get why it is *so* bad and hated; (b) to the extent that I do get it, the complaint seems to be ‘it’s too Piano Magic’; and (c) I have no idea where its rep now sits vis a vis all the post-Disaffected albums that hardly anyone heard.
OTOH it’s a good choice in that they then rebounded with perhaps their best album in The Troubled Sleep Of..., give or take Low Birth Weight.
― Tim F, Saturday, 14 September 2019 00:25 (four years ago) link
re: Kozelek i've gotten the impression that everything he's done after Benji has been too off course for me to bother with and the little i have heard of those records has been truly baffling
― ufo, Saturday, 14 September 2019 00:43 (four years ago) link
Writers is an amazing album and I think everyone likes it except Glen and that’s mostly to donate 4ad
― akm, Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:11 (four years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)
because they never give four or five star reviews to shitty records by "classic rock" bands obviously past their sell-by date..
― sock fingering, baby (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link
Rude
Lol no it’s fine, I’ve replaced booze with weed in my life and I’m enjoying some giggly stoned late night moments
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:45 (four years ago) link
there are a fair few Sufjan albums that fit this well enough but The Age of Adz is absolutely not one of them, despite being a left-turn, and is his best work. Enjoy Your Rabbit fits in every way except it dates back to before his breakthrough with Michigan, but it's roundly ignored in his discography for more reasons than that, being an instrumental electronic album that bears no resemblance to the rest of his work and isn't that good. there's also The BQE, which is also very ignored as it's the instrumental score to a film he made. it's not as much of a departure as Enjoy Your Rabbit is and the combination of electronics and orchestration did signal the direction he went in with Age of Adz, but it still doesn't really resemble his song-based work that much.
― ufo, Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:23 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
I have tried and tried with The Age of Adz but for me it belongs in this list.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:17 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Age of Adz is my favorite Sufjan record by a longshot. It's his true masterpiece (to date) in my opinion, and it feels more fitting for these times than it did when it was initially released, not to mention having aged beautifully. For an album to begin with a song like "Futile Devices" that explodes into this fantastic odyssey, and then to not just close with a song like "Impossible Soul," but to end with album with that final movement that brings you back down to earth and closes the capsule. Beautiful stuff.
― winters (josh), Saturday, 14 September 2019 08:46 (four years ago) link
I may have scrolled too fast, but Madonna I'm Breathless fits the bill (though I'll always rep for "Hanky Panky").Also Kevin Ayers As Close As You Think. Never reissued, hard to find, never referenced even by diehard fans, and a terrible album that sounds foisted upon him during the nadir of his addiction.
― mike t-diva, Saturday, 14 September 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
I don't know what it means that I'm Breathless is my most-listened to Madonna album (also Ciccone Youth along with the s/t EP for Sonic Youth)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 14 September 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Tangerine Dream's Cyclone (1978) is unusual in that it has rock drums and a vocalist. It's odd - the basic sound is similar to the band's late-70s analogue records, but the sequencers are in the background more and there are lengthy flute solos. Unfortunately the vocalist sounds like a drunk man who broke into the studio and shouted over the backing tapes.
I've always wondered how fans of Lush think of the band. They started off as a shoegazing band, but for their one big commercial success they became cheeky cockney Britpop kids, and then they broke up, and when they came back in 2016 - "Out of Control" is really good! - they were shoegazing again. I assume they switched back to their former sound because Slowdive demonstrated that shoegaze was hip once more. Do Lush fans ignore Lovelife? When I was a kid Lush was the band that did "Single Girl" and the one about the Fiat 500 and the other one, but I realise now that Britpop Lush was an aberration.
What does "Out of Control" remind me of? It sounds like something else.
― Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
In the Lush thread there was a linked piece by Miki and it suggested to me that the "cheeky" approach was at least in part a reaction to how some critics were treating their more vulnerable songs.
Also on that thread I said "Out Of Control" reminded me of some Ween songs but I don't expect anyone else to agree.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Santa_Monica#/media/File%3AEverclear_Return_to_Santa_Monica_(album)_2011.jpg
Everclear - Return to Santa Monica
― weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 10 October 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
ufo and Josh I will give it more time then, because when Sufjan hits he hits hard
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
Killing Joke's 'Outside the Gate' album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDnKEk8byiY
― pollo, Friday, 11 October 2019 07:38 (four years ago) link
That house album which the Style Council made just before the end. The record company refused to release it. I think it eventually turned up in the box set of their complete works some time in the late 1990s.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Friday, 11 October 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
Morrissey's recent covers album.
― fetter, Friday, 11 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
The Beach Boys - s/t album from 1985 and everything thereafter
― frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 11 October 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
Anything from Cabaret Voltaire post-1990.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 11 October 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
nah there is absolutely good stuff on the last one
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 October 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
Frank Sinatra’s Trilogy: Past, Present, Future, but especially the “Future” disc.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 11 October 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
That house album which the Style Council made just before the end. The record company refused to release it. I think it eventually turned up in the box set of their complete works some time in the late 1990s.― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Friday, October 11, 2019 7:09 AM
modernism: a new decade is actually really good, for what it is. sounds nothing like tsc before they made it, but that was kind of the point.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 11 October 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
I guess some might say that even "hardcore" fans needn't bother with the last few Black Flag albums.
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 11 October 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
Frank Sinatra’s Trilogy does have his "Theme for New York New York", which is one of those songs one forgets was recorded in the 80s.
But yes, The "Future" part is pretty wild.
― MarkoP, Friday, 11 October 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
Celtic Frost: Cold Lake.
― Fried Egg Sandwich, Friday, 11 October 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
How do people feel about The Burning World?
I've always thought it was perfectly fine and not the aberration that it's kinda painted as, 'Saved' is a beautiful track as is the cover of 'Can't Find My Way Home', I don't really think it's *too* overproduced.
― Maresn3st, Friday, 11 October 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
It's one of my favorite Swans albums.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 11 October 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link
I feel like most of Lovelife could’ve easily fit on Split, obv not Ciao or 500.
― brimstead, Saturday, 12 October 2019 01:43 (four years ago) link
Would Mott The Hoople's "Wild Life" count?
It's not a bad album, but imagine if thin lizzys third album sounded more like The Eagles. You wouldn't prefer that if you liked the other albums..
― Mark G, Saturday, 12 October 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
I think The Burning World is the best Swans album. That might make me a pussy, whatever.
― akm, Sunday, 13 October 2019 03:37 (four years ago) link
Never heard the whole record, but that synth pop record that Jack Bruce made that was only released in Germany is definitely an outlier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-siie-F4DY&list=OLAK5uy_my9jydYfDlS8BGpdfs7dQTwaEiW1hXA9c
― earlnash, Sunday, 13 October 2019 03:52 (four years ago) link
― beard papa, Monday, 14 October 2019 01:35 (four years ago) link