PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

a chara

Picking up fragments of Irish whilst browsing the UK politics thread is definitely one of the highlights of this place.

the “ch” sound is pronounced like you’re coughing up phlegm although regional variations may apply

It is often forgotten that it was #Bercow willingness to bend the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MPs to force a Commons vote that led to the fateful 2016 EU referendum-great profile of House speaker ⁦⁦@HoC_Speaker_MP⁩ @FT ⁦@GeorgeWParker⁩
https://t.co/KoMcbEoCZ9

— Anne-Sylvaine Chassany (@ChassNews) August 31, 2019

Don't hear much about his wife these days. Few years ago she was rarely out of the news.

I like Bercow. Whoever replaces him will not be as good.

He embraced John McDonnell last night.

It's very true about the wife. Her whole schtick was that she was constantly in the headlines. Which is precisely what she now never is.

apologies to UK politics thread users who don't enjoy us traipsing football over the carpet but Bercow reminds me of nothing more than one of those high profile referees who think people go to a match to watch them

Speaking of which, gyac, I assume – based on the amount of votes – that generalbelly's pronunciation of Taoiseach is more or less standard? My ears may be incorrectly tuned, but it seems to me that some of the others turn the 't' into a nearly French 'tr'.

https://forvo.com/word/taoiseach/#ga

clattenburg for speaker

Billy Bowden for speaker.

lol!

I agree on the Bercow criticisms. To a large extent he may be analogous to Johnson in that people otherwise politically opposed or not so aligned still enjoy him as a character - I include myself here.

Even Colbert was impersonating him on his show (having shown the clip of him haranguing Gove) a few days ago.

xps to Pom - being from Leinster I pronounce the second syllable “seach” not quite like “shock”, it sort of has a softer sound at the end but I’m not making sense so I will see can I upload a clip so you can hear how I say it. I got a C1 at leaving cert Irish though so can’t claim it’s the one and only way. Deems to thread to clarify how they say it out wesht

i have no great beef with bercow's recognition and exploitation of the intrinsic theatricality of parliament and its modes and practices: if parliament is bad as a model of democracy it absolutely *isn't* because of the theatre it encourages (indeed, as noted, bercow has artfully deployed the theatre to firm up some of the pre-existing strengths of the model, such as its occasional historical defiance of the executive)

the belief there's a better truer deeper level of politics which somehow burrows untaintedly beneath the decadent impurities of theatre tends IMO to hobble the left -- the problem is that a lot of the theatre we're subject to is bad and basic even as theatre, and is then treated as "breath of fresh air" type honesty instead of shtick and bullshit

(the left's best politicians exactly know how to be counter-theatrical: the contrasting natures and shapes of left vs right political theatre is an interesting topic in itself)

you could kick a ball, jumpers for goalposts, giant papier mache heads in a pantomime

deeper level of politics = everything outside of politicians speaking in public

a chara

Picking up fragments of Irish whilst browsing the UK politics thread is definitely one of the highlights of this place.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Truth, I googled it this morning.

No love for Bercow, but better the devil you know.

It is often forgotten that it was #Bercow willingness to bend the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MPs to force a Commons vote that led to the fateful 2016 EU referendum⁦⁦

Are there any actual details of this - it being a manifesto commitment for a party with a clear majority, my recollection is that it went through smoothly (and was surely going to go through anyway)

The only positive I can from of Harriet Harman becoming Speaker is that the Tories- especially the Tory press - hate her as well. Other than that, it's all negatives.

... ugh, mangled English.

I think Harman is too timid politically to be a senior figure in the Labour Party but a role like speaker where she could cut loose a bit more would suit her well.

she's been punted on fwiw - as low as 6/4 from yesterdays 9/2 at one bookies.

some of the others turn the 't' into a nearly French 'tr'

Is this something to do with the velarization marker ˠ that wikipedia splatters all over its Irish pronunciation guides?

The Taoiseach (/ˈtiːʃəx/ (‧listen) TEE-shəkh,[2] Irish: [ˈt̪ˠiːʃəx])

(dunno, I don't know Irish or anything about phonetics. I looked up what "velarised" is supposed to mean before deciding that it would require many years practice and possibly major surgery before I could have my tongue anywhere near my soft palate while pronouncing a "t" - not the first time I've given up on knowing how to pronounce basic Irish sounds)

Andrews Farrell:

[Bercow's] ruling cleared the way for the group to take the near-unprecedented step of moving an amendment to the Queen's Speech, regretting the non-appearance of any referendum bill.

. . .

A parliamentary chain reaction followed. It quickly became clear that more than 100 Conservative MPs would vote for the amendment, so Mr Cameron side-stepped and announced the Conservative Party would back a private member's bill to hold a referendum by 2017, and even published a draft bill.

When the 2013 ballot for private members' bills was held, James Wharton was the top-ranking Tory - and within minutes he announced he would attempt to get the Referendum Bill into law. His bill did eventually clear the Commons, but ran aground in the Lords, and the following year a similar fate befell an identical bill from Bob Neill.

By that time Mr Cameron was cornered into a referendum promise, which became a key plank of his 2015 election manifesto. And the rest is history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-parliaments-38402140

(xp btw the wikipedia pronunciation was pasted to show the ˠ in the Irish IPA, not because I think the Anglicised approximation is news to anyone on this thread)

Does anyone itt have any positive thoughts on any of the mooted new speakers? I suppose it may be as well to have it be someone whose political views don't accord 100% with your/my own since they won't be voting on anything any more, but with Johnson (Cummings?) determined to abandon traditions and find tricks and loopholes, it's going to be a tough job keeping things balanced.

Lol @ this

VIDEO | Watch Sarah Clarke, Lady Usher of the Black Rod, summon the House of Commons to the House of Lords to hear the Royal Commission.#Prorogation pic.twitter.com/5tQd2o6XtX

— BritishPolVids (@BritishPolVids) September 10, 2019

That's exponentially more despicable than Boycott getting knighted. (xp)

― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

No need for a scale. Plenty of depressive shit to go round.

I don't think Bercow is analogous to BJ. BJ's substance, as well as his style, is vile. I enjoy Bercow's style, but his substance is as JC said yesterday: reforming, democratising, supporting Parliament, increasing accessibility. I think people should realise how much those things have been down to Bercow and wouldn't have been pushed by another.

There is, meanwhile, the whole set of workplace bullying allegations against him, which very curiously haven't been talked about in the last 24 hours. But I don't know the truth of them, as I do of the good things that he has done.

The fact that JC and JMc like and respect Bercow is a good sign for me.

re this^^^

artfully deployed the theatre to firm up some of the pre-existing strengths of the model can absolutely carry a strong bennite reading :)

benn as burkean, discuss

At the weekend there was speculation that Matt Hancock, the health secretary, might follow Amber Rudd in resigning from the cabinet.

Surely he'd have to develop a backbone first?

Matt the mollusk!

Snivelling little creep.

Tomorrow the British Home Office will be arguing against the birthright provisions of the Good Friday Agreement.

The argument will be that we can identify as we please but we are, by law, British citizens.

And that this Government cannot be bound to the spirit of a treaty. https://t.co/00ChOVSBef

— Emma DeSouza (@EmmandJDeSouza) September 9, 2019

jesus

Another case that links back to the horrific immigration policy that prevents the husbands / wives of British people from living here unless they earn enough money, fwiw. DeSouza needs to prove that she's Irish or her husband will be deported.

Yeah I think the origin of this was the government changing the requirement for spouses of British citizens where ofc no such requirement could be enforced on EU citizens or their spouses.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-voter-data

Dick & Dom calmly turning the government web portal into a data mining system as they normally do

Mark Wallace is generally free to catch fire any time he wants, but he's not wrong here.

Here's what Dame Laura Cox, a High Court Judge, said about the Speaker's position almost a year ago in an official report commissioned to try to end the bullying of Parliamentary staff. https://t.co/t2o2zh7WP2

— Mark Wallace (@wallaceme) September 9, 2019

@HillaryClinton thinking of coming over the week of the election which state is best for outspoken British MPs to help your cause?

— Jess Phillips Esq., M.P. (@jessphillips) July 23, 2016

lmao remember kez dugdale went to campaign for clinton in NYC

You need to use her full title, “the cursed”

this looks win-win to me

A man in my victims agency consultation today was the exact double of Omar from the Wire. He'd never seen it, & was shocked by my excitement

— Jess Phillips Esq., M.P. (@jessphillips) September 20, 2012

some more Jess gold

that is incredible.

100% certainty that this person also did not actually look that much like Michael K Williams

@HillaryClinton thinking of coming over the week of the election which state is best for outspoken British MPs to help your cause?

Hi rio do u want picking up in the morning pal

I think Harman is too timid politically to be a senior figure in the Labour Party but a role like speaker where she could cut loose a bit more would suit her well.

― ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 11:50 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Disappointing that a former top lawyer was so timid that she acquiesced to the assault on thousands of welfare claimants while acting leader. I'm not that optimistic that she's less timid in other situations since she's also so timid she thinks that walking near Burgess park is an invitation to a belly skewer.

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00660/news-graphics-2008-_660801a.jpg

that pic is amazing

That vote deservedly ended her career within Labour.

She does at least have a historical track record of making a massive nuisance of herself as an individual, even if she is too cowardly to apply many of those principles to party policy.

pack it in boris its all over pic.twitter.com/9klYRNpGIz

— rena (@lunacyeyes) September 10, 2019