PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

That's exponentially more despicable than Boycott getting knighted. (xp)

xxxxp to lbi
Bercow was in a far right pro apartheid nasty tory clique in the 80's, he might have done some good work but i think its questionable whether any other speaker would have done any different and the veneration he's getting from the melts is rather sickening, overall he's a total dud.

He's an arsehole but Tories hate him so he can't be all bad.

like that nice nazi speer!

Getting peerages for invaluable contributions to the discourse like

Labour leader Ed Miliband has been urged to recruit Sir Alex Ferguson to coach the party to election victory in 2015.

The former Manchester United manager advised Tony Blair in the run-up to his 1997 landslide and MP John Mann has written to Mr Miliband requesting an action replay.

Mr Mann wrote: “In addition to the undoubted morale boost, Sir Alex would shape and inspire a new generation of Labour Party activists, and provide unrivalled experience of management and long-term planning.”

A Labour source yesterday said Mr Miliband would be happy to listen to the footie legend’s views, adding: “We welcome all advice.”

A Labour MP is calling on police to find out who was responsible for "favouriting" a pornographic image on a Conservative MP's Twitter account.

Karl McCartney, Tory MP for Lincoln, had denied using the "favourite" function on the social networking site, claiming his account had been hacked.

John Mann, Labour MP for Bassetlaw, wrote to police asking if they could establish who "favourited" the tweet.

Lincolnshire Police said no formal investigation was under way.
The "favourite" function allows Twitter users to show their appreciation for tweets and to bookmark them.

Still a Tory but he has repeatedly said he is a changed man from his Monday Club days.

He's an arsehole but Tories hate him so he can't be all bad.

― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is basically my position tbh

he would still require much more "re-education" in the anti-rightist campaign that only goes on in my imagination!

(xps, mostly talking to myself here) ...and as gyac rightly highlights, Stephen Parkinson of the Shahmir Sanni incident too, which iirc has resulted in actual death threats to his family back home, ugh

(more xps) Bercow was in a nasty Tory clique back then and is also reportedly a bully and horrible to work for, but on the other hand I have enjoyed his performances over the past 3 years (though the very fact they can be described as "performances" will upset some) and I do think he's shown more commitment to getting parliament a fair hearing than many others might have

plus he bothers Tory arsehole Brexiters so very much, and that's delicious

my latest instalment in tales from further and further down the spiral of all politics being now reduced to "this thing might be bad but it upsets The Other Lot so I am suddenly 100% for it"

the enemy of my enemy...

I think a chunk of "get on with it" is wrong-headed "get it over with" - there's always a sizeable constituency for "when can we stop talking about politics please?" - traditionally a Tory position but the stars have wheeled about and Cummings wants eternal engines of revolution, so the Lib Dems can dip their beak in now - revoke makes a lot of sense for them.

I feel like Bercow's performances have been at least as much a product of his own vanity and perhaps personal grudges as they have been motivated by a deep commitment to whatever he thinks the constitution is. I don't care what his motivations are tbh as long as they have stymied successive Tory PMS, the ERG etc. But I wouldn't expect whoever succeeds Bercow to be anywhere near as interventionist as he has been.

always remember tories are not human beings even though they may look like them, they are actually a variety of mollusc and if you cut them into halves they turn into 2 tories.

You can behead them and stuff the mouth with garlic tho, nb this is also effective against Frank Fields

.. you cannot eat that which was never alive in the first place..

One morning, as Gregor Samsa awoke from troubled dreams, he found himself transformed in his bed into a monstrous Tory.

wb a chara

Would wish Der Prozess on the lot tbf

Or 'In the Penal Colony'.

My humorless answer to that is that The Trial is precisely about the terror of a social powerlessness that these cunts administer, never experience

THE BERCOW LEGACY (2013): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24912765

Back in May, his decision to allow a fourth amendment to the Queen's Speech regretting the lack of an EU membership referendum, proposed by rebel backbenchers, infuriated the government whips.

The Speaker stretched the wording of the current standing orders, perhaps to the point of snapping it, to allow that amendment to be debated - and the private member's bill on the referendum now before the House was the direct result.

Wherein the pitiless machine would puncture the phrase 'Take Back Control' into Boris's flaccid body.

2xp

a chara

Picking up fragments of Irish whilst browsing the UK politics thread is definitely one of the highlights of this place.

the “ch” sound is pronounced like you’re coughing up phlegm although regional variations may apply

It is often forgotten that it was #Bercow willingness to bend the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MPs to force a Commons vote that led to the fateful 2016 EU referendum-great profile of House speaker ⁦⁦@HoC_Speaker_MP⁩ @FT ⁦@GeorgeWParker⁩
https://t.co/KoMcbEoCZ9

— Anne-Sylvaine Chassany (@ChassNews) August 31, 2019

Don't hear much about his wife these days. Few years ago she was rarely out of the news.

I like Bercow. Whoever replaces him will not be as good.

He embraced John McDonnell last night.

It's very true about the wife. Her whole schtick was that she was constantly in the headlines. Which is precisely what she now never is.

apologies to UK politics thread users who don't enjoy us traipsing football over the carpet but Bercow reminds me of nothing more than one of those high profile referees who think people go to a match to watch them

Speaking of which, gyac, I assume – based on the amount of votes – that generalbelly's pronunciation of Taoiseach is more or less standard? My ears may be incorrectly tuned, but it seems to me that some of the others turn the 't' into a nearly French 'tr'.

https://forvo.com/word/taoiseach/#ga

clattenburg for speaker

Billy Bowden for speaker.

lol!

I agree on the Bercow criticisms. To a large extent he may be analogous to Johnson in that people otherwise politically opposed or not so aligned still enjoy him as a character - I include myself here.

Even Colbert was impersonating him on his show (having shown the clip of him haranguing Gove) a few days ago.

xps to Pom - being from Leinster I pronounce the second syllable “seach” not quite like “shock”, it sort of has a softer sound at the end but I’m not making sense so I will see can I upload a clip so you can hear how I say it. I got a C1 at leaving cert Irish though so can’t claim it’s the one and only way. Deems to thread to clarify how they say it out wesht

i have no great beef with bercow's recognition and exploitation of the intrinsic theatricality of parliament and its modes and practices: if parliament is bad as a model of democracy it absolutely *isn't* because of the theatre it encourages (indeed, as noted, bercow has artfully deployed the theatre to firm up some of the pre-existing strengths of the model, such as its occasional historical defiance of the executive)

the belief there's a better truer deeper level of politics which somehow burrows untaintedly beneath the decadent impurities of theatre tends IMO to hobble the left -- the problem is that a lot of the theatre we're subject to is bad and basic even as theatre, and is then treated as "breath of fresh air" type honesty instead of shtick and bullshit

(the left's best politicians exactly know how to be counter-theatrical: the contrasting natures and shapes of left vs right political theatre is an interesting topic in itself)

you could kick a ball, jumpers for goalposts, giant papier mache heads in a pantomime

deeper level of politics = everything outside of politicians speaking in public

a chara

Picking up fragments of Irish whilst browsing the UK politics thread is definitely one of the highlights of this place.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Truth, I googled it this morning.

No love for Bercow, but better the devil you know.

It is often forgotten that it was #Bercow willingness to bend the rules that allowed Eurosceptic MPs to force a Commons vote that led to the fateful 2016 EU referendum⁦⁦

Are there any actual details of this - it being a manifesto commitment for a party with a clear majority, my recollection is that it went through smoothly (and was surely going to go through anyway)

The only positive I can from of Harriet Harman becoming Speaker is that the Tories- especially the Tory press - hate her as well. Other than that, it's all negatives.

... ugh, mangled English.

I think Harman is too timid politically to be a senior figure in the Labour Party but a role like speaker where she could cut loose a bit more would suit her well.

she's been punted on fwiw - as low as 6/4 from yesterdays 9/2 at one bookies.

some of the others turn the 't' into a nearly French 'tr'

Is this something to do with the velarization marker ˠ that wikipedia splatters all over its Irish pronunciation guides?

The Taoiseach (/ˈtiːʃəx/ (‧listen) TEE-shəkh,[2] Irish: [ˈt̪ˠiːʃəx])

(dunno, I don't know Irish or anything about phonetics. I looked up what "velarised" is supposed to mean before deciding that it would require many years practice and possibly major surgery before I could have my tongue anywhere near my soft palate while pronouncing a "t" - not the first time I've given up on knowing how to pronounce basic Irish sounds)

Andrews Farrell:

[Bercow's] ruling cleared the way for the group to take the near-unprecedented step of moving an amendment to the Queen's Speech, regretting the non-appearance of any referendum bill.

. . .

A parliamentary chain reaction followed. It quickly became clear that more than 100 Conservative MPs would vote for the amendment, so Mr Cameron side-stepped and announced the Conservative Party would back a private member's bill to hold a referendum by 2017, and even published a draft bill.

When the 2013 ballot for private members' bills was held, James Wharton was the top-ranking Tory - and within minutes he announced he would attempt to get the Referendum Bill into law. His bill did eventually clear the Commons, but ran aground in the Lords, and the following year a similar fate befell an identical bill from Bob Neill.

By that time Mr Cameron was cornered into a referendum promise, which became a key plank of his 2015 election manifesto. And the rest is history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-parliaments-38402140

(xp btw the wikipedia pronunciation was pasted to show the ˠ in the Irish IPA, not because I think the Anglicised approximation is news to anyone on this thread)

Does anyone itt have any positive thoughts on any of the mooted new speakers? I suppose it may be as well to have it be someone whose political views don't accord 100% with your/my own since they won't be voting on anything any more, but with Johnson (Cummings?) determined to abandon traditions and find tricks and loopholes, it's going to be a tough job keeping things balanced.

Lol @ this

VIDEO | Watch Sarah Clarke, Lady Usher of the Black Rod, summon the House of Commons to the House of Lords to hear the Royal Commission.#Prorogation pic.twitter.com/5tQd2o6XtX

— BritishPolVids (@BritishPolVids) September 10, 2019

That's exponentially more despicable than Boycott getting knighted. (xp)

― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

No need for a scale. Plenty of depressive shit to go round.