PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

because they said it once unthinkingly and well theres no going back now is there

xxpost For a lot of them, it’s because they’re not interested in the detail and complexity of government. They remember life before the EU, and they believe what is printed in the papers that they read (and what is said by the likes of Farage.)

Boycott has slipped so much tory brown-nosing into tea-breaks on 5 live during test commentary over the years I'm surprised the cunt wasn't knighted years ago.

because they just want to get on with it so they can return to discussing the finer points of the constitution and macroeconomic policy as they usually do

I guess I haven't thought about it too much but yeah why exactly are team "just get on with it" so keen to just get on with it? obviously many of them will be rampant Brexiters terrified that delay means revocation, but there must be a tranche of the kind of mimsy TV vox pop normies who just like saying shit like "just get on with it" because they know fuck all of what they speak but are big fans of acting without pissing about thinking

I think they want to “just get on with it” because it’s an electorally resonant message - ie let’s get a majority and deal with the fallout later

oh I meant the alleged voter on the street who keeps allegedly saying this, I know what the Cummings Party's game is

You could hold a referendum on literally any subject and ask would you rather choose:

[ ] Team 'get on with it'
[ ] Team 'let's not get on with it just yet'

The first option will always win. It's one of the better Tory spins to try and portray Remain/opposition as team 'not getting on with it', even though they (must) know their own team slogan is completely contrary to how it will play out. Get on wiffit just sounds 'better'. I'm afraid there's not a lot more to it than that.

Re: yougov I'd read that at least 40% of leavers don't want no deal which is a substantial split.

The splits into both remain and leave are why we could have another hung parliament.

xps

Doesn’t the great British public know that the future (much as the past) only hold variations on a them of half in and half out of the EU?

LBI otm. Team 'get on with it' is supposedly proactive and spirited and proud, unlike their static adversaries.

yeah i get that, i guess i'm just saying "just get on with it" only really sounds good if you're a fucking idiot

They are in denial.

Five million Tory voters chose Remain. Those poll numbers only prove that public support for no deal is dwindling when the number of Leave voters who want a deal are combined with Remain voters.

well yeah xp

all the money is being chucked on Harman to be the next speaker, she's as short as 5/2 now. Of course how much this means is dependent on how smart or dumb the money is!

I take back what I posted about Hoyle yesterday.

if the lib dems really want to shift the overton window they should run on a "aren't you sick of all this westminster nonsense? let's wind up parliament forever and let the EU run everything" platform

it's only the Speaker, prior to the last 12 months it has't mattered a jot for 300+ years

xp lol ogmor yes

libdems will never the numbers to revoke a 50 and their bullshit posturing is a gift to cummings

I couldn't really care less about next speaker tbh. It's just a next football manager betting type interest for me.

Clegg's commitment on tuition fees was the fag-end of this strategy. With Labour's shift left, you'd expect a return to torpid centrism, but under Cable & Swinson the LDs have adopted increasingly divisive & implausible policies, largely as clickbait.

— David Timoney (@fromarsetoelbow) September 10, 2019

this person has Swinson's number

Boycott has slipped so much tory brown-nosing into tea-breaks on 5 live during test commentary over the years I'm surprised the cunt wasn't knighted years ago.

I imagine it's only the wife beating and racism that prevented him being knighted before.

and it still might have with PMs with an ounce of shame

couldn't really care less about next speaker tbh. It's just a next football manager betting type interest for me.

― calzino, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Seriously though, do you agree that Bercow did more good than bad w/ these Brexit shenanigans? And if yes, it seems like it does matter, maybe more than ever, who the new speaker is?

After a long day in Parliament trying to defend democracy and a 5 week shutdown the three MPs who live on the 88 Bus Route are heading home its only 2:22am! ⁦@KerryMP⁩ ⁦@DanielZeichner⁩ pic.twitter.com/Uf7xYQnOgX

— (((Alex Sobel MP))) (@alexsobel) September 10, 2019

John Mann getting a peerage is it?

this is what a feminist looks like *knights a wife-beater*

That's exponentially more despicable than Boycott getting knighted. (xp)

xxxxp to lbi
Bercow was in a far right pro apartheid nasty tory clique in the 80's, he might have done some good work but i think its questionable whether any other speaker would have done any different and the veneration he's getting from the melts is rather sickening, overall he's a total dud.

He's an arsehole but Tories hate him so he can't be all bad.

like that nice nazi speer!

Getting peerages for invaluable contributions to the discourse like

Labour leader Ed Miliband has been urged to recruit Sir Alex Ferguson to coach the party to election victory in 2015.

The former Manchester United manager advised Tony Blair in the run-up to his 1997 landslide and MP John Mann has written to Mr Miliband requesting an action replay.

Mr Mann wrote: “In addition to the undoubted morale boost, Sir Alex would shape and inspire a new generation of Labour Party activists, and provide unrivalled experience of management and long-term planning.”

A Labour source yesterday said Mr Miliband would be happy to listen to the footie legend’s views, adding: “We welcome all advice.”

A Labour MP is calling on police to find out who was responsible for "favouriting" a pornographic image on a Conservative MP's Twitter account.

Karl McCartney, Tory MP for Lincoln, had denied using the "favourite" function on the social networking site, claiming his account had been hacked.

John Mann, Labour MP for Bassetlaw, wrote to police asking if they could establish who "favourited" the tweet.

Lincolnshire Police said no formal investigation was under way.
The "favourite" function allows Twitter users to show their appreciation for tweets and to bookmark them.

Still a Tory but he has repeatedly said he is a changed man from his Monday Club days.

He's an arsehole but Tories hate him so he can't be all bad.

― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is basically my position tbh

he would still require much more "re-education" in the anti-rightist campaign that only goes on in my imagination!

(xps, mostly talking to myself here) ...and as gyac rightly highlights, Stephen Parkinson of the Shahmir Sanni incident too, which iirc has resulted in actual death threats to his family back home, ugh

(more xps) Bercow was in a nasty Tory clique back then and is also reportedly a bully and horrible to work for, but on the other hand I have enjoyed his performances over the past 3 years (though the very fact they can be described as "performances" will upset some) and I do think he's shown more commitment to getting parliament a fair hearing than many others might have

plus he bothers Tory arsehole Brexiters so very much, and that's delicious

my latest instalment in tales from further and further down the spiral of all politics being now reduced to "this thing might be bad but it upsets The Other Lot so I am suddenly 100% for it"

the enemy of my enemy...

I think a chunk of "get on with it" is wrong-headed "get it over with" - there's always a sizeable constituency for "when can we stop talking about politics please?" - traditionally a Tory position but the stars have wheeled about and Cummings wants eternal engines of revolution, so the Lib Dems can dip their beak in now - revoke makes a lot of sense for them.

I feel like Bercow's performances have been at least as much a product of his own vanity and perhaps personal grudges as they have been motivated by a deep commitment to whatever he thinks the constitution is. I don't care what his motivations are tbh as long as they have stymied successive Tory PMS, the ERG etc. But I wouldn't expect whoever succeeds Bercow to be anywhere near as interventionist as he has been.

always remember tories are not human beings even though they may look like them, they are actually a variety of mollusc and if you cut them into halves they turn into 2 tories.

You can behead them and stuff the mouth with garlic tho, nb this is also effective against Frank Fields

.. you cannot eat that which was never alive in the first place..

One morning, as Gregor Samsa awoke from troubled dreams, he found himself transformed in his bed into a monstrous Tory.

wb a chara

Would wish Der Prozess on the lot tbf

Or 'In the Penal Colony'.

My humorless answer to that is that The Trial is precisely about the terror of a social powerlessness that these cunts administer, never experience

THE BERCOW LEGACY (2013): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24912765

Back in May, his decision to allow a fourth amendment to the Queen's Speech regretting the lack of an EU membership referendum, proposed by rebel backbenchers, infuriated the government whips.

The Speaker stretched the wording of the current standing orders, perhaps to the point of snapping it, to allow that amendment to be debated - and the private member's bill on the referendum now before the House was the direct result.

Wherein the pitiless machine would puncture the phrase 'Take Back Control' into Boris's flaccid body.

2xp

a chara

Picking up fragments of Irish whilst browsing the UK politics thread is definitely one of the highlights of this place.