PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

but they were out of harm's way in 2004

except for all the ones systematically destroying the Labour Party

Also I very much enjoyed the pinefox calling the scum Boris Johnson scum. Because he is scum.

Wasnt on ILX 15 years ago, but I did encounter plenty of otherwise apparently reasonable people who thought johnson was a total ledge and were surprised by my disappointed reaction when they said so.

Before we close the round window, a point that carsmile was old left - I'd put money on him having heard of Jeremy Corbyn before anyone here short of Mark - finding it 'odd' that people like him can be fonder of tories when they're out of power is a failure of understanding.

Laura Pidcock, RL-B and Angela Rayner all get smeared as “thick” from people who dismiss them for their politics, their accents, their class. They get angry about injustice (uncouth!) and are serving in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet so they must be thick and have no minds of their own. But hey, support women in politics!

Having *heard* of Jeremy Corbyn?

I think I'd heard of him by about 1990 at least.

yeah Rayner get's totally smeared on her w/c class roots and accent, usually by people by people who are quite thick as well.

it's almost like only men are allowed to escape her type of poor as fuck background and progress in a political career.

AR’s accent makes her sound “thick”, Jess P’s makes her sound “authentic”. Funny how that works! Esp when AR isn’t quite as left as JC.

I had two of my local mp's retweeting that awful showboating by jess last week, yuck!

Hi, I have been UK left since before I moved here - my dissertation was on Thatcherism’s obliteration of the UK social contract ffs. I’m a lifetime DFL voter (what Minnesota calls its Democratic Party) and would always be a Labour voter if I had the vote here, definitely had heard of Jeremy Corbyn before marching against wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, liked Ken Livingstone until he started being an anti-Semite in a headline kind of way, was ecstatic when Blair won/GFA went through. My policy is never to attack the left from its right or to encourage anyone else to.

xxp

I think AR is more left leaning than some might think, she has made some iffy comments about Blair's legacy that I don't agree with. But she doesn't seem interested in wasting any time in undermining the leadership and seems a massive McD fan.

Also in basic charisma terms, Rayner has more than Pidcock who has more than Long-Bailey. xp

pidcock and long-bailey are surely more educated and qualified than a lot of MPs. rayner might have a few more patches of ignorance but blunders like pronouncing the chinese helmsman 'chairman mayo' are p minor and she's a great communicator. RLB is v charming tho imo !

They should send her out to do more media work instead of Emily Thornberry. At least we're seeing less of Baz G these days

Enjoying the questions being asked of BJ in Dublin. The guardian liveblog has him with a Leo with the deliberately messy hair - don’t think he realises how that plays over there (or cares).

Pidcock and RLB are very well educated but went to an ex-poly, so none of it counts.

I am not impugning anyone's left credentials (and may well lose my money), just establishing Carsmile's :)

I dont think attacking on accent is necessarily going to work next time out, I'm not even sure they'll try it. It doesn't easily fit the likely 'Northern Strategy', at least without being careful how they do it.

jel went on to become david cameron iirc

I will always hate Leo but I do admire his ability to put a good face on while meeting someone who was racist about him.

i did have a little despite-my-better-judgement lol at Jess Phillips when she called somebody "bab" during her Cicero of Solihull speech the other day, it made me all nostalgic for a minute

Johnson has been messing his hair up while speaking on live TV forever but at this point seems as much if not more driven by insecurity as it is playing to the base.

the lrb piece by imo bad literary critic and etonian james woods says the johnson had already realised the hair-mussing worked a charm back at school

And he was humbled by a brilliant question pointing out that, while he is happy to use “dead in a ditch” as a metaphor, Brexit undermines arrangements that have preserved the peace in an country where until recently hundreds of people did end up dead in ditches.

Q: When you talk about people being dead in ditches, there is a sense that you don’t really understand what is at stake here. When did you last visit the border? Do you still think it is like the border between Camden and Islington?

Johnson says he thinks everyone here understands the importance of the border.

The UK will never impose checks at the border, he says. There must be an open border, so goods and people can circulate in the normal way.

He says he genuinely thinks that solutions can be found.

God people are easily impressed. Then again Hugh grant is apparently the leader of the resistance and he’s famous for that shit too xp

By the Irish if they can be made to do it. xp

He’s now mussing it up to distract from rapidly-escalating make pattern baldness. The hair is such a huge part of BJ’s brand that it’ll have Samson-like repercussions for him when it’s lost over the next few years.

I am all for baldshaming boris and I say this as an unashamedly out and proud balding old git.

Kevin from Irish Independent to BJ: When you talk about people being dead in ditches I don't think you understand what's been happening here.

— Adam Boulton (@adamboultonSKY) September 9, 2019

Blistering question from @KevDoyle_Indo to Johnson: pic.twitter.com/0IFRUUndWy

— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV2) September 9, 2019

Nice to see Doyler has found a new career after football

GDP growth is up !!!! from -0.2% to 0%!!!!!! the economy is good again, awouuuuuuuu !!!

neil woodford is good again

as has been noted elsewhere, I believe the north of england has been in recession for years, probably most regions outside the south east too

And whether there is a change in govt or not there will be no end in sight.

A response to poll no's.:

Exc: No10 has seen polling that means if there was an election now, Boris Johnson would do worse than Theresa May, according to Jason Stein, who was a Tory special advisor and Amber Rudd aide until Saturday night

Here’s what he told me for a Sky News interview: pic.twitter.com/bDszzB2Ky7

— Sam Coates Sky (@SamCoatesSky) September 9, 2019

Boris in flat cap in 3..2..

Parliament's off from this evening btw

And that's before a campaign period they are very likely to lose

dezinformatsiya

Varadkar to Johnson:

“Securing the ratification in less than there years is going to be a Herculean task for you.

But we do want to be your friend, your ally, your Athena”

Even the fucker laughed at that

Is it a joke?

owl of prorogation takes flight at dusk dudes

https://i.etsystatic.com/5389558/r/il/659be9/1524893438/il_fullxfull.1524893438_cuk0.jpg

I haven’t actually watched any of this shite yet but supposedly explains the ref

Quite a loaded “Athena to your Hercules” jab from Irish PM. She helped Hercules when he went mad by knocking him unconscious, preventing him from killing more people than he already had (including his children). https://t.co/mIqeGTATcv

— NickdMiller (@NickdMiller) September 9, 2019

That is excellent.

i dig it but dw i won't stan leo

Ty for your support during this difficult time

Can the shutdown (enough of this obscure p-word) tonight obstruct the NoNoDeal bill's Royal Assent?

no

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