Um...
― The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 September 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link
Janet's...been through some stuff recently.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
Took a while but I've finally realized that "Ruins" is wholly rad. Also, got teary-eyed during the chorus of "Can I Go On" today.
― geoffreyess, Friday, 20 September 2019 04:46 (four years ago) link
Awesome show last night. They played "Step Aside"!
― geoffreyess, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
Scorching in Austin tonight. Carrie is in full Rock Star Mode. It was Corin's birthday. Angie Boylan is a sure-footed & fast drummer. A bunch of the older numbers were practically thrash--even "Good Things" was sprightly! Checking out setlist.fm, I see they doing fairly locked-down setlists aside from the encores. And I do believe they played everything from The Center Won't Hold, plus the new vinyl & digital single "Animal". 29 songs total.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 10 November 2019 07:50 (four years ago) link
Great interview with Janet about the break up and her career
https://www.thetrapset.net/230-janet-weiss-quasi-sleater-kinney-wild-flag-elliott-smith-etc/
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:12 (four years ago) link
That was quite moving. Janet seems like an awesome person.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
Yeah, the whole thing--her career in all her bands, the breakup of SK, the way she approaches her work. All so endearing.
And stunning how Carrie and Corin changed Janet's role.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
The conversation that resulted in the blunt "yes you're just the drummer; not creative equal here" must have been a heated argument. I just can't imagine it being so harshly put via honesty alone. I can only imagine the context being used as a convenient way to end a frustrating argument quickly.
― Evan, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
this podcast didn't make me want to see SK ever again
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
Janet said "they made this album sort of without me," while Carrie said, "she’s raved about this album to us and to Annie." Curious what accounts for the wild divergence.
Carrie also said, "We asked her to stay"...so..."You're just the drummer, but please stay with us in your diminished role!"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
I remember the only time I saw them, in 2003 or so, one of the openers was Smoosh, a keyboard and drums duo of adolescent sisters. When SK went on they told some story about backstage chatter with Smoosh in which the drummer expressed outrage that drummers tend to not get songwriting credits, pointing out that her sister didn’t write her drum parts.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
I love Smoosh!
― Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
Oh I remember them, apparently they are 'Chaos Chaos' now?
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I really need to check them out as CC -- She Like Electric is one of my favorite albums of the '00s.
― Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34XX_fg-R_4
i didn't really care much for either of the last two albums but this one's quite nice
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 12:37 (two years ago) link
It's really catchy!
― peace, man, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 12:43 (two years ago) link
not bad, but the warm posi vibes of this song/video and the album title can't help but weird me out, knowing how the split went down... it ain't fair probably but :/
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 12:49 (two years ago) link
I just want more Corin vocals.
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 12:50 (two years ago) link
xp yeah i totally get that. i'm still pretty baffled by the split and no doubt janet's presence will be missed here
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:02 (two years ago) link
xxp: yeah, I didn't even give Center Won't Hold more than one or two listens, primarily because of that.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:02 (two years ago) link
it's just not the same bandlike it's fine I guess but
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:03 (two years ago) link
janet was totally more of a third guitarist than a drummer
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:22 (two years ago) link
i loved the center won't hold though
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:31 (two years ago) link
This is a good song!
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
chorus is v wild flag to me which... not my fave personally but i will check out this record regardless
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:40 (two years ago) link
I preferred Center's experiments to the holding pattern of NCTL, no matter how good the latter was.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
"the dog/the body" is one of my favorite s-k tracks of *all time*
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:46 (two years ago) link
yep
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:46 (two years ago) link
This is a good call, thought the same thing.
I know it's not fair of me, especially considering Janet wasn't even a founding member, but I feel like I'd be more charitable if this was released under a different project name. It's fine, it just doesn't feel like Sleater-Kinney to me. And, yes, I understand this is more my hang-up, but it's true.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:57 (two years ago) link
Just not feeling Carrie-led songs from the last album or this, even more than missing Janet (I didn't care for Wild Flag either).
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
It's...fine. It just sounds kinda average. No Weiss, no dice.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link
I liked the last 2 records but NCTL is more of a full band record, where Center feels more of a Carrie/St Vincent thing with a little Corin in there. It doesn’t feel like SK to me unless there is a lot of Corin/Carrie interplay. Interesting to see how the (full) departure of Janet changes things.
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
Serious question, is this the most people have ever cared about a drummer leaving a band/being fired/replaced?
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:34 (two years ago) link
add "dying" and you get Bonham and Moon
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link
this song is ok. Center was meh. I might go to this tour though, I haven't seen Wilco since YHF and I heard enough good things about the Janet-less SK tour that I regretted not going.
― akm, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link
the nature of the departure was extra jarring because it seemed to fly in the face of their stated politics to some extent xps
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
it sounded like it was basically 'creative differences' when it came down to it, but played out in about the worst possible way
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:40 (two years ago) link
― akm, Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:37 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
wilco has quietly turned into one of the great live bands over the past decade or so
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:41 (two years ago) link
A pleasant surprise, in that I was listening to TCWH the other week, thinking then it felt like a final chapter.
But then came the announcement email this morning, and I like this and am interested in hearing more.
Is Angie Boylan still drumming with them and just getting the Daryl Jones treatment?
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
it's Eric Carr I think
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link
I'm listening to TCWH now and it's a total jam, love it.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
XP Anton Figg!
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:52 (two years ago) link
I know it's not fair of me, especially considering Janet wasn't even a founding member
No, but she shaped and defined their sound and approach as much as (or arguably more than) Carrie and Corin. I mean, Neil Peart wasn't a founding member of Rush.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link
I'll admit, I'm mystified by the reaction in the last two years. They're not the first band to lose a crucial member, nor the first to get credible accusations of bad faith.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
I think it's fair to say, setting aside whether it's been a successful transition or not, there was a fundamental change in the sound of the band between NCTL and TCWH, so I'm not terribly surprised to see the reaction. S-K was a band that people took very dearly to heart, so it doesn't seem that weird to see people expressing a strong opinion on the shift.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:10 (two years ago) link
Well, sure. I love them too. But, you know, shit happens. I don't mind anyone thinking TCWH sucks.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
I don't think it sucks, it's just not what I was looking for in a S-K album and I've not returned to it nearly as much as I have the rest of their catalog.
I think the wild reactions also come down to the remnants of the "sell out" bullshit surrounding any tangentially "punk" band from the '90s.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link
^^In general it's wise to avoid FB comments, but I got curious and it seems like every other post is "Bring Back Janet" with the occasional side dish of "St. Vincent Ruined S-K", while another guy (always a guy, speaking of the new single) saying that Janet was fired so they could make "Taylor Swift Music".
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link
it was a relatively ugly split especially with janet's side of the story not making carrie & corin seem very sympathetic at all, so i can understand why people were particularly upset, especially with janet being so beloved & crucial to the band
if they'd just amicably split because corin & carrie wanted to go in one direction & janet wanted to go in another, or at least smoothed over the interpersonal conflicts much more in their public statements, then people wouldn't have had quite as strong of a reaction (though i'm sure everyone would still be sad to see janet go)
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link