David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

and the Texas Killing Fields

and the prostitutes killed and buried on Long Island

*every Mindhunter episode*

HOLDEN: did you kill her?

KILLER: nope

HOLDEN: we heard your dick game was weaksauce

KILLER: I killed her and ate her arm for breakfast, yeah

— Michael Tannenbaum (@iamTannenbaum) September 8, 2019

lol otm

blame everything ever, i mean csi in my mind was the *worst* for that type of formulaity (if a suspect actually denied it, it p much meant they would turn out to be innocent every time) but im sure every crime show ever has a similar setup

thin man movies obv best at it

csi was very little investigation -> conclusion and nearly all wrapped up in premise of the crime and the forensic process

it was always just the creepiest suspect

nah it always had grissom ~ look in their eyes and know~ it was fun but dumb as fuck once youd seen a few of them

apart from the one where the busbhad crashed that was legit good

I think they did a good job casting the killers, they are so creepy

in this show, not csi, fuck that

*every Mindhunter episode*

HOLDEN: did you kill her?

KILLER: nope

HOLDEN: we heard your dick game was weaksauce

KILLER: I killed her and ate her arm for breakfast, yeah

This scenario doesn't play out at all in the second season except for maaaaybe the Berkowitz scene.

I've only seen two episodes of S2 so far, but that scenario is definitely a feature of the Berkowitz scene

I'm looking forward to seeing more of this, limiting myself to one episode a week because I'm watching it with a friend

Finally finished S@, was great. The run of scenes at the end of the last episode -- Carr dumping the magazine, Tench in the empty house, Holden watching everything getting swept away, the BDK guy doing his thing and then the intensely creepy Peter Gabriel song over the credits: fucking hell.

thin man movies obv best at it

― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Monday, September 9, 2019 7:33 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Now I'm trying to imagine this series with Nick and Nora Charles instead of Holden and Bill.

Martinis with Manson?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/are-serial-killers-more-common-than-we-think/596647/

But here’s a curious fact. As the number of serial killings has supposedly fallen, so too has the rate of murder cases solved—or “cleared,” in detective lingo. In 1965, the U.S. homicide clearance rate was 91 percent. By 2017, it had dropped to 61.6 percent, one of the lowest rates in the Western world. In other words, about 40 percent of the time, murderers get away with murder.

Some experts believe that serial killers are responsible for a significant number of these unsolved murders. Thomas Hargrove, the founder of the Murder Accountability Project, a nonprofit that compiles data on homicide, has examined how many unsolved murders are linked by DNA evidence. He believes that at least 2 percent of murders are committed by serial offenders—translating to about 2,100 unidentified serial killers. Michael Arntfield, a retired police detective and the author of 12 books on serial murder, agrees that the FBI’s projections are off (he blames patchy data, among other things) but thinks the number of active serial killers is more like 3,000 or 4,000.

you could fit all the serial killers in the US into a football stadium, so are they really that big of a threat?

depends on what you do with them after i guess

Are those stats taking into account the number/percentage of false convictions? It's easy to clear a murder if you arrest and convict someone who didn't do it. I've seen estimates that anywhere from 5-12% of murder convictions are wrongful, which is a lot!

lol darraghmac

But everyone in that stadium will kill multiple times, so that's, what, 6 stadiums of victims?

turn it into the world’s biggest royal rumble & make them all kill each other

oh wah he’s not your “type” you cant kill “just anyone” cry me a river I SAID TO THE DEATH

I've been checking my bootleg place weekly, and they still don't have the second season in. I'm rewatching the first season for now. I think episode 8--a return interview with Brudos, the foot-tickling principal, and hiring a new transcriber--is one of the best episodes I can think of in any show ever. The writing--every line from start to finish--is masterful.

I knew that the song at the end of the seres was "Intruder" by PG but I'd nevr paid attention to its lyrics before, yike.

Excellent use also of Marianne Faithfull's "Guilt" during the end credits of a recent episode. Made me re-visit Broken English.

Gave up on a bootleg, signed up for Netflix (have to watch on my computer, but I'm adapting). Anyway, very solid for the first three episodes. Don't want to read the thread till I finish. Albert Jones reminds me of Tim Meadows--I keep waiting for jokes.

Albert Jones is extremely good and--as a friend of mine pointed out--the smartest guy on the show. Focusing on the Fulton County house, making sure they have eyes on Williams' dad, clearly focused in a way that the others are not.

Ford and Tench being spot-on in some areas is par for the course but they're more commonly way offtm, which is partially due to them finding their way into this new form of crime analysis and also this type of crime being not nearly as predictable as they might think.

The car interview scene w/the brother of the early BTK victim is a total microcosm of the show in a nutshell in terms of just its sheer quality, its empathy, the probing and relevant questions, the local cop shocked by the methods, the understandably (based on their test subjects) inaccurate assessment of who BTK is, and the paranoid creepiness of someone being "out there" which is probably most valuable to this genre of crime story.

I think one strength of that entire storyline is in its banality, in its inaction, he's out there being very patient and controlled and cautious and aside from one error in judgment (first scene of the season) he seems to learn from his mistakes, biding his time, not in a desperate hurry for the next victim, but he's continuing to keep his buzz going, ready for the next murder when he gets the chance. This season is 1980-81, roughly, and BTK didn't kill again until 1985.

So serious question: presumably the child murders ended after they caught Williams? or did the rate of deaths just drop back to the Atlanta average?

i believe that to be the case, yes

back to average and, I presume, either solved or not the same circumstances or MO as the Atlanta Child Murders (as were some actually included as part of the case, such as the girl kidnapped from her home).

Just finished the Manson episode. (Or first, anyway--not sure if there's more.) Have to give it some thought. I liked the reversal with Tench and Holden at the party; Holden the clinical, by-the-book straight-arrow, Tench the rogue storyteller.

Leslie Van Houten wasn't mentioned...must be because she's alive and still in prison.

So is Tex Watson though

I wonder why they'd leave her out then. She participated in the LaBianca murders.

Episode 6: the Paul Bateson story seemed a little thin? Doing a little reading on him--he was in The Exorcist!

I was shockingly old when I learned clemenza has a bootleg place.

John Douglas (model for Holden and bits of Tench, and co-author of the book that gives this series its name) is unconvinced they got their man in Atlanta.

Do you think the right man was caught? The Atlanta police reopened the case earlier this year.
I never thought that Wayne Williams did all of those cases. There are other cases that should not be on the list.

(adding, from wikipedia and I think from his book, that he thinks the authorities have an idea who the other killers are: "It isn't a single offender, and the truth isn't pleasant.")

Mindhunter Cast Released From Contracts as Season 3 Is Put on Indefinite Hold at Netflix

sorry to hear it, I really liked the first two seasons

boooooooooo

i say we kill them & hide the bodies

Goddamnit

Hmm, not sure this is a cancellation per se, just that Fincher wants to finish his movie about Herman Mankiewicz (which started principal photography two months ago). Not too excited about a S3 in 2021 without some/all of the leads though, if that's what this ultimately means. As long as they don't lose the reel-to-reel in the credits. That's my favourite.

luckily no big-deal movie stars in the lot, I bet it comes back cast intact in '21 or '22

And it's Fincher. I'm sure these folks can move some things around to make time for him down the line.

hope so, that second season was great

luckily no big-deal movie stars in the lot, I bet it comes back cast intact in '21 or '22

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:20 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

groff is one of the stars of FROZEN and FROZEN 2 but i guess voice roles are different

he's supposedly cast in Matrix 4

as the matrix, I hope

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

I spent my 5 minutes resetting all my ilx bookmarks :-S

I've been rewatching the first season this past week. Loved this line from Shepard: "I like you, Bill. I don't particularly like him, but I like you." And later, when he disdainfully gives them their grant money, the way he says "Have a nice day."

is S2 worth watching?