Miguel Cabrera Needs His Own Thread

Kind of gruesome...He's signed for three more seasons; he might need that to reach 500 HR.

nothing more fun for fans than watching aging vince coleman try to reach a round HR number!

signed for 4 more seasons iirc

Kinda puzzled why Fangraphs is so surprised by his "decline" (3 seasons of fairly level shitty/replacement level)? Or is it "odd" to be that shitty for 3 seasons?

i feel like your question is answered in the quote.

I worded my post poorly:

Miggy's 2019 did not forge much of a different vector from his 2018 (injury) nor his 2017 (terrible) seasons. Expecting an outlier on the tailend of 3 seasons of lackluster performance is a bit reckless imho... tho I'm not a baseball blogger.

As was noted in this Chris McCosky pievce last October, Miguel Cabrera's right knee is not going to get better. It's the core reason why he's not hitting. He's in shape, he has the fire -- but not the right knee. It needs, probably, replacing. No go there. https://t.co/dXTIH507P2

— Lynn G. Henning (@Lynn_Henning) August 26, 2020

A ballplayer getting his knee replaced isn't a ballplayer returning to big-league duties. Thus, it seems, the script is nearly written: Tigers will get him to 3,000 hits, try to get him to 500 HRs. And then there will be a parting. All because the knee can't adequately function.

— Lynn G. Henning (@Lynn_Henning) August 26, 2020

Needs 165 hits for 3000 and 19 HRs for 500.

At .198/.297/.327 this year, and has looked as overmatched as those numbers indicate.

Hasn't appeared desperate, at least -- no major deviation in his swing percentages. Making less contact outside the zone.

I dunno.

talking out of my ass here, but i find it hard to believe that a knee replacement would make things worse than they already are

You don't need great knees to hit a HR from the DH spot (Joey/Albert Belle, Bo Jackson, Kirk Gibson, Mo Vaughan, Don Mattingly, David Ortiz, etc.). But getting those 165 hits might be the bigger challenge if he can't run at 80% or less of his peak speed.

.198/.297/.327 is going to be even worse when pitchers start challenging him more often (he has a walk rate of 11.9%, somehow)

xp you can be slow as hell and still be a good contact/non-slugger:

here's the bottom 10 in sprint speed:

https://i.imgur.com/ggu5FsT.png

well, maybe not a good contact hitter, but still able to get "hits"

Yes, exactly! That's his current "speed". After a knee replacement, you can best believe he will be slower than Pujols & Yadi (he's marginally faster than them now).

Also, just say Miggy collects a hit, he immediately becomes a baserunning liability: much easier to get a double play off of the slowest runner in baseball, he will not be able to slide in to 2B to break up the double play, in fact he will be a huge injury risk every time he has to slide, he will not be taking an extra base on a gapper (1st - 3rd, 2nd - Home). Baserunning liability = more out chances for the defense = less run production for DET.

yeah, i guess i agree it's liable to get pretty ugly. what your'e describing is pretty much albert pujols for the last several years

talking out of my ass here, but i find it hard to believe that a knee replacement would make things worse than they already are

― mookieproof, Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:32 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

recovery is tough and you need to be on blood thinners for a few months. it’s not impossible but for someone his age it’s asking a lot

i'm on blood thinners right now and am totally fine to DH until my cat bites me and i bleed to death

lol

Heating up.

The late-Pujols phase of his career into its fifth year...Hit a HR first time up today, so 12 more for 500. Getting to 3,000 hits will be difficult--full season, no injury. If he duplicates his 2019, he'd just make it. And then, yikes, two more seasons.

on pace for 500 or so HR this season as of today

Miguel Cabrera has departed the field of play via the BIG FLY.#DetroitRoots pic.twitter.com/aQebyTB7eJ

— Bally Sports Detroit (@BallySportsDET) April 1, 2021

The MLB site had a lead story last night about Cabrera on the verge of passing Ruth in career hits. He went 0-3 in each game and is now hitting .146.

New obsession: .125.

I’m going to assume he’s the hands down worst of the big contracts right now? (Votto and Pujols I think are just regular bad)

miggy was a league-average hitter last year and votto is so far this year. pujols hasn't been since 2016

I thought Votto was doing much worse than he actually is.

he had a huge game yesterday but otherwise has been awful

mookie's right tho – according to his OPS+ he's right on league average. obviously tho, in terms of his contract it's p bad.

0-4, .115 (OPS = .443).

Votto was great in 2017, Cabrera was great in 2016, Pujols' last great year was ... 2010 or 2011? He wins hands down.

This must be the abyss looking back: 0-5, 7 left on base, .105 (OPS = .406, tribute to Ted Williams).

Miguel Cabrera is hitless in his last 24 at-bats after a second-inning groundout against Martin Perez. It's the longest hitless stretch of his career.

— Jason Beck (@beckjason) May 6, 2021

stumbled on Miguel Cabrera's stat line like it was a jump scare in a low-budget horror movie

— Patrick Dubuque (@euqubud) May 5, 2021

Damn, that's almost as bad as Francisco Lindor's stats.

0-2; two more hitless AB will drop him under .100.

That Tigers lineup tonight is something to behold. Candelario is batting third and hitting .281. The other eight spots: .216, .175, .102, .210, .192, .159, .158, .200. It's the Detroit Maxvills.

Miguel Cabrera's second consecutive two-hit game moves him to 2876 hits for his career, tying him with Mel Ott for 44th on MLB's all-time list.

— Jason Beck (@beckjason) May 8, 2021

the kid is on fire

In honor of @MiguelCabrera becoming the All-Time Venezuelan-Born Hits leader tonight, I have created an interactive timeline detailing the Venezuelan-Born hit leaders since the debut of Ãlex Carrasquel in 1939.

Check out and see all of the Venezuelan greats in MLB history 🇻🇪🔥 pic.twitter.com/HPZR9JEu8Z

— Greg Harvey (@BetweenTheNums) May 13, 2021

watching aparicio and concepcion show up made me so happy

i love a good interactive timeline

that guy recently did one of those for all-time bWAR

i like how it's quiet for a while in the 80s-90s and then suddenly here comes bonds

that's the most publicity ross barnes has gotten in a century

but until deacon white and the very normal and not racist at all cap anson came along, ross barnes was a fucking legend

i think i made an ed delanhanty reference as a small child to some baseball guy. he had no idea what i was talking about, but that was a sweet reference for a kid in the single digits of age

i was probably like "this kid is no ed delanhanty, that's for fucking sure", and he just didn't get it

kind of suprised to see gehringer still in the top 15 as of 1942. i guess i always thought of him as one of those guys who had a crazy good BA in the 30s

sorry, just got to put itt, why not:

In honor of the great Willie Mays and his 90th birthday on Thursday, I have created an interactive graphic that details the progressive All-Time leaders in Position Player bWAR.

Check this out to see many of your favorite players throughout MLB history! #SayHeyKid ⚾️🔥@SFGiants pic.twitter.com/wrTOYXHh9H

— Greg Harvey (@BetweenTheNums) May 8, 2021

i love in 1988 when schmidt is like "hey" at the very bottom of the top 15

most underrated legend: tris speaker
honorable mention: mel ott