Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

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Nothing weird about it tbh.

pomenitul, Thursday, 5 September 2019 09:29 (eight months ago) link

I haven't listened to Art Angels in a while, but on first listen one of the melodies feels lifted from one of those songs.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 5 September 2019 11:49 (eight months ago) link

i think it's just a very typically grimes melody, the sort that was all over art angels. that's not a bad thing at all, i just wish the backing was better (and i'm largely blaming her choice of collaborator, i_o, for this since his solo work sounds very similarly bland from the little i listened)

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:00 (eight months ago) link

improving production at the cost of distinctiveness is a story as old as production itself

this all has a certain “jokers trick” aspect to it ...

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 5 September 2019 13:36 (eight months ago) link

"my goal is to make climate change fun (lol..??)" - joker

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 13:40 (eight months ago) link

tangentially, I did end up seeing the Grimes-boosted Nicole Dollanganger last week and it was a pretty good show!

untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:04 (eight months ago) link

this is decent but definitely more in the realm of grimes music that poppy et al. have moved into while she was between albums, and thus sounds less exciting

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:22 (eight months ago) link

I mean it's weird because supposedly the more you master something the more 'freely' you can push the limit of your knowledge. I mean Picasso had to learn and master how to paint properly first before he evolved it into his own style. According to her Visions was created in Garageband in a week since she couldn't leave her home due to a fever. Even with the rushed job and some of the presets she used it probably is her most creative and unique sounding album.

That said, I didn't know who i_o was or that he was a co-producer in this one, and apparently he is an edm producer which is a red flag in itself, so I'll also send blame of the genericness of this one his way. Is there a genre more generic than EDM in the past decade? I think that might be one of the few genres where it's extremely difficult to tell an artists production work one from another.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:12 (eight months ago) link

it's also the difference between working on an album for 2 weeks and working on an album for 2 years

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:28 (eight months ago) link

But also every producer knows that you get the most interesting results out of a piece of gear the first time you use it, when you're exciting and don't really know what you're doing yet.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:40 (eight months ago) link

usually yes

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:47 (eight months ago) link

(exciting -> excited)

Also creating without the expectation of an audience vs the knowledge of a huge audience, and the usual curve of your technical expertise and experience going up while the number of good ideas that are most 'you' go down/get used up, etc.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:54 (eight months ago) link

Yes those are good points. There’s a lot of pressure on her in this album’s cycle that wasn’t there before and there have been several signs, like behind the curtain drama with her label and the constant re-scheduling.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:43 (eight months ago) link

it's also the difference between working on an album for 2 weeks and working on an album for 2 years

― flappy bird, Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:28 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Makes me think of Brian Eno saying how deadlines and small budgets usually make for great records and how no deadlines and endless budgets don’t

winters (josh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:09 (eight months ago) link

My feeling is ppl are jumping to conclusions way too fast itt; this is more how I hoped “art angels” era would sound, maybe not a home run as a single but I could see being either disappointed or exciting depending on what follows ... not mad at refinement though, a lot of ilx hated “the present lover” for similar reasons & imo that album is a total classic

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:41 (eight months ago) link

i personally like the track but i also don't have a particular allegiance to any single grimes style or sound or aesthetic, i'd have been disappointed if she'd stuck to a Visions template. it's hard to remember now how some of her earlier stuff found its way into chillwave threads (where even then something like "Vanessa" stood out as superior to most of the other tracks being posted and that's where i first heard of her) and it's probably good she didn't stick to a predictable path.

omar little, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:10 (eight months ago) link

Oh, I like this much more than WAP

winters (josh), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:42 (eight months ago) link

love the way this song sounds

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:43 (eight months ago) link

I've listened to it a few more times and I'm enjoying it more than my first listen. I guess the reservation I really have with it is that it sounds like the coda to some longer, more fleshed out song. Which it very well could be, in context of the album, but it's a pretty irritating choice for a first single.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 6 September 2019 11:12 (eight months ago) link

This new song is great, easily the most I've ever enjoyed her music.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 13:38 (eight months ago) link

this sounds like a good song to do the macarena to

Non stop chantar (crüt), Friday, 6 September 2019 14:09 (eight months ago) link


.@Grimezsz is awesome. That is all.

— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYang) September 9, 2019

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 September 2019 20:00 (eight months ago) link

symphonia mmxx (my wait is ubi)

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:39 (eight months ago) link

Pursuing that coveted World Princess vote

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:46 (eight months ago) link

Well, there's not much of a song but I still like this more than almost anything she's done since Visions (I REALLY disliked Art Angels and the following stuff).
So I might be interested in her output again... that's good !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:00 (eight months ago) link

i don't get the people who hated art angels but like this because this just sounds like a sketch of an art angels song to me (in a negative way not in positive realiti demo comparison lol)

ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:44 (eight months ago) link

Well, I guess that's the more understated, minimalist, atmospheric/dreamy, demo aspect that I prefer in her work.
I loved Visions but couldn't stand the OTT production approach of Art Angels.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:53 (eight months ago) link


pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:54 (eight months ago) link

And that new track isn't great or anything. But it doesn't annoy me and is nice enough so that's already a big improvement to me !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:54 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

will relisten to hear this putative optimization!

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 3 October 2019 00:06 (seven months ago) link

that show looks rad and i wish i were anywhere near miami so i could go. i had missed the new single until seeing that article. i rlly like it but i want to remix it and add a B section after the breakdown.

davey, Thursday, 3 October 2019 09:29 (seven months ago) link

four weeks pass...

unmixed/mastered version of new album has leaked, probably the closest anyone will get to ever hearing this damn thing

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 1 November 2019 09:01 (seven months ago) link

why the pessimism? maybe there's something weird going on but the current excuse that they're waiting for vinyl to be pressed before releasing all formats at the same time seems plausible

mh, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:13 (seven months ago) link

Is it worth the hunt?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 November 2019 15:21 (seven months ago) link

Ok I couldn't resist. I assume the mixing is still being worked out. "So Heavy" in particular sounds like it needs some work done in there but it could sound really good.

Black Swan Blues is a nice surprise, she very rarely uses acoustic guitars as a base composition and it's also a very welcome variation in sound compared to the rest of the album.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 November 2019 17:54 (seven months ago) link

from what I understand the leak is far from complete, not only in terms of songs but the mixing too

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 22:58 (seven months ago) link

I ended up deleting it after a third listen. I don't like the current aesthetics of it for the most part, the whole sound she is going for in here is very outdated to my ears, it sounds to me like she's trying to beautify some of the worst musical trends of the 90's - but I recon it might improve with further mixing. Song I ended up liking the most is Black Swan Blues but it doesn't sound much like a Grimes song.

I don't know, it seems like a bit of mess tbh and I wouldn't be that surprised if it gets vaulted. I can kind of understand a bit of her previous frustration with it. There some good ideas in there but there's been so much work and time wasted on it that the simplest solution would be to vault it instead of trying to fix it and do something new. Or maybe release one first expecting it to get mixed reviews and then a second, better album a few months apart. It wouldn't be a bad marketing strategy tbh, let the critics tear you down and then lure them back in. Wasn't that the original plan? To do one for the label and another for her? Or am I misremembering how it went?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 2 November 2019 06:23 (six months ago) link

Was Turrican a Grimes fan?

jmm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:02 (six months ago) link

omg that's the link. only threads with Turrican DNA can be opened.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:04 (six months ago) link

new single "so heavy i fell through the earth" is decent but feels more like a moody album track than an album opener or single?

miss anthropocene finally has a tracklist and a release date (feb 21) too

01 So Heavy I Fell Through the Earth (Art Mix)
02 Darkseid (Grimes & 潘PAN)
03 Delete Forever
04 Violence (Grimes & i_o)
05 4ÆM
06 New Gods
07 My Name is Dark
08 You’ll miss me when I’m not around
09 Before the fever

ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:05 (six months ago) link

new single "so heavy i fell through the earth" is decent but feels more like a moody album track than an album opener or single?

I really hope this album tilts more towards "moody album tracks" and less towards "we appreciate power". This is promising.

enochroot, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:49 (six months ago) link

haha I was just thinking I wish she'd tack We Appreciate Power onto the record.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:51 (six months ago) link

The deluxe version of the album includes WAP

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:21 (six months ago) link

i like that cover

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:21 (six months ago) link

is the person burning off their breast?

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 15 November 2019 18:39 (six months ago) link

Fourth World concept album??!?

insecurity bear (sic), Friday, 15 November 2019 21:16 (six months ago) link

is "adore u (beautiful game)" coming out? that was the song I did for the pre-cover album a year and a half ago

flappy bird, Friday, 15 November 2019 21:58 (six months ago) link

this is gonna be good, I'm excited now

winters (josh), Friday, 15 November 2019 22:24 (six months ago) link

i'd guess "adore u" is probably "IDORU"

ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 23:30 (six months ago) link

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