PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

I've got to leave the house at some point today, might be nice to take a break

xp
the whole house applauded him as well, it was quite a thing.

I'm frightened of elections, it's a perfectly rational fear though.

As we roll over into a new day, a reminder that it's Thursday morning so it's business questions. Jacob Rees-Mogg has to stand up in the Chamber in less than 11 hours & tell the House what's happening next week 👀

— Brigid Fowler (@Brigid_Fowler) September 4, 2019

Total BS https://t.co/DsjTKKyTtb

— LabourLordsUK (@LabourLordsUK) September 5, 2019

is farage actually per se more lethal to boris in a Nov election than an Oct one. having it in Nov focuses the election more on the specifics of why the Tories couldn't carry it out for 31/10. what exactly is farage going to argue boris should've done differently the last 2 weeks

— Tyron (@TyronWilson) September 4, 2019

it was indeed very bad, but I don't think it was quite like this.

Oh, I don't know, just been watching Canny Cops and the blight caused by Thatcher has lasted nearly 40 years which is not too shabby.

You, it must be said, love to see it

Tonight, @jeremycorbyn took the record for the Most Govt defeats during their tender as Leader of the Opposition: 41 vs Thatchers 40 pic.twitter.com/P0mD5QDm8u

— LeftWingScot (@LeftWingScot) September 4, 2019

Laura K is terrible

4. But one wise head with no skin in this game points out, flip side of FTPA traps Johnson, also protects him-govts don't fall just because of a few defeats - so if HE wanted to go long, then he could-opposition parties have taken a LONG time to start working together

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) September 5, 2019

And obviously they can table a VONC literally whenever they like

"I saw someone tweet, about Trump preparing to remove birthright citizenship, that the Tories had already done this in this country in 1983."

one of their reforms from that era put them in the embarrassing situation that the Falklands War was being waged on behalf of a territory whose population had recently been stripped of their main British Citizenship rights, like importantly I think the right of abode, lol Tories.

the Americans are gon love this one

this is a good point, please could British politics stop resembling a 6th form debating society playing Mao <hands self a penalty card> as my German teacher will ask what's going on and it's very embarrassing and quite hard to explain in bad-grade-at-GCSE-level German

now to spend the next 3 hours catching up on things which happened last night, and then there will be 3 hours of new baffling and worrying developments to catch up on, and maybe at some point someone might think I should do some work, I dunno

A senior government minister also predicted the opposition parties are playing straight into Dominic Cummings’ hands — and that the Tories are now on course to win a snap election. “I’ve seen the numbers from CCHQ, it really is black and white,” they said. “People want it done. They love it when we talk about schools, hospitals and police; they love it when we talk about broadband; they hate it when we talk about Brexit — and these people have just voted to talk more about Brexit. Nobody wants to spend three, six months rowing about Brexit.” To repeat, this may well prove to be the case.

does strike the fear into me tbh

Sounds like wishful thinking to me though, it isn't like boris isn't talking about brexit every day. And in an election campaign the Labour manifesto will be extensively talked about.

I want to believe Calz, but I'm surprised (well not surprised, but... no wait still a bit surprised) how the scum rags (see The Sun) are turning this into a 'Corbz is a chicken' thing, almost completely absolving BJ.

in unrelated news, busily pushing a book abt the old-school uk music-press on social media is getting me an ever-more noxious pile-up of friends requests from ppl who would very probably and unforcedly help the book's sales but whose posts abt jamrambam cnrrbrrr i do not currently wish to see

this is my stupid doom tbf you (meaning you!) probably love to see it

I am friends with some of the people you describe and I almost never see them initiate melt debates, rather they’re on others’ pages talking about how dumb they think jermy crumbum is and getting silently judged by people like us.

re the inevitable bad media blitz: as we squeaked a bit upthread, there was always going to be a downside to taking tony blair's advice

the possibly smaller upside is that these media outlets have a smaller outreach today than they did even in 2017: the failing fake news media, to coin a phrase

Excuse me, MY advice!

xp i see them there as well, suzy -- that's exactly how i know that i don't (for now) wish for any greater overlap!

i consider you and he co-terminous andrew :D

not worried about the ensuing bad media blitz - has been that way day in day out for 4 years now. I am worried about fighting an election against someone whose entire platform is 'ffs let's just get on with it' (however many difficulties and intricacies that may elide) - it's quite a resonant message I think. granted though, while it even resonates w me I'm never going to vote CON so I should take succour from the fact that other vectors will be at play in any GE

Doing Brexit means years more of hearing and seeing stuff about Brexit, it’s fucking unavoidable, senior gov minister not otm. I sincerely doubt the public gives a fuck what the Tories say about the NHS given the evidence of the last 9 years.

Even the most anti Corbyn person I know is pouring shit on the coverage of him this week

there are *no* circumstances where it'll be easy for a leftish Labour party to win a general election - i still think if Johnson can be beaten it will have to involve some kind of coalition-building

and then probably being seen to "waste time" by addressing the state of the existing constitution alongside making the economy a bit less murderous, so we can minimize future Tory fuckery as much as possible

I know the idea of Dom Cummings as 7D chess super-genius is looking rather shaky this week but am still nervous about a repeat of the targeted Facebook ad onslaught he supposedly "masterminded" for Leave, all needling in on specifically-honed shitty talking points, all not necessarily even true or within the normally acceptable scope of broadcast advertising bcz there is no scrutiny and even if there is it won't happen until it's too late

not looking forward to that combined with the already much-discussed failings of the Beeb and the tabloids and Murdoch press, the lack of a platform to point out the difficulties being elided, the way every ill-thought-out word on one side is picked up on as ZOMG cowardice! anti-semitism! Venezuela! terrrrist sympathiser! and on the other side, lol Boris legend...

there was a very slow old git in front of me in the Coop earlier - doing the usual annoying things like fiddling about with their change and checking which ugly monarch is on their threepenny bits, paying their utility bills on separate payment cards and doing it all as s-l-o-w-ly as poss. And then the clincher - a daily mail in their basket. grr. I hate it when elections are imminent - Tory voters become like when you notice a cluster of ants and realise the bastards are everywhere

possibly worth trying a kettle full of boiling water

“People want it done. They love it when we talk about schools, hospitals and police; they love it when we talk about broadband; they hate it when we talk about Brexit — and these people have just voted to talk more about Brexit. Nobody wants to spend three, six months rowing about Brexit.”

Except this isn't the case at all. If/once/wheneverifever there is a leave date, and the UK leaves, that is just the beginning of talking about Brexit.

The people may be done with Brexit, but Brexit isn't done with them.

xp or what Gyac said

Big problem with an Oct 15 election is if Boris Johnson fights on a platform of getting the backstop out of the deal at the EU council that week.
Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party will then stand candidates against the Tories, splitting the vote and handing power to Jeremy Corbyn.

— Christopher Hope📝 (@christopherhope) September 5, 2019

(xp) It might not be the case but do you think a nation of idiots is aware of that?

No, just saying it cannot be repeated and said as loudly as possible enough

yes - I know that brexit will be a salient political issue for the next twenty+ years... but I think if the CONs fight an election on 'let's bloody well just get on with it we're british ffs' it would be an electorally potent message

the scum rags (see The Sun) are turning this into a 'Corbz is a chicken' thing, almost completely absolving BJ.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDpxk0YWwAUktmz.jpg

"I know the idea of Dom Cummings as 7D chess super-genius is looking rather shaky this week but am still nervous about a repeat of the targeted Facebook ad onslaught he supposedly "masterminded" for Leave"

I'd like to think someone @ Lab social media section actually knows what he has done, and that they do have a strategy against it?

glad you're all remaining optimistic about the upcoming GE though 👍🏻

xp to conrad, I was referring to

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/91AB/production/_108619273_the-sun.jpg

(see yours is the Scottish Sun. lol)

How can someone be both dangerous and a chicken, this is some sub-Python shit

Think ye all need to clam down lads, it’s not even happened and it’s not even over til we’re crying over the exit poll

imagine being the PM and not even having the power to call a GE. entirely in labour's gift rn

even more yesterday!!!!!!!!!! pic.twitter.com/AF62J3ZXu9

— beth redmond 🍻 (@redbethmond) September 5, 2019

tbh i'm still crying over "which ugly monarch is on their threepenny bits"

How can someone be both dangerous and a chicken

salmonella? he's obviously giving boris the shits

xp he paints quite the picture doesn’t he

Real shame we can't get the marginal breakdown of those voter registrations. Hopefully it's a lot of kids living with their parents in some Tory suburban hell.

I thought she had already joined

I am very pleased to announce that I have joined @joswinson and the @LibDems, the strongest party to stop brexit, fight for equality and a fairer country.

— Luciana Berger (@lucianaberger) September 5, 2019

Fucking hell - Jo Johnson just quit the government cos he says Boris isn’t acting in the national interest!

His brother like. Wow.