Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Thank you, Dan! I certainly could have never imagined it.

sorry, this was quite a poor effort on my part. I even had to Google "dcp". Best of luck in your endeavor to bankrupt movie houses

― maffew12, Wednesday, September 4, 2019 5:32 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah because they're doing great showing Siodmak noirs and Visconti melodramas. there are usually like 10 people at the revival series I go to. whenever they're anything DL related, they clean up. tons of people. they could show the entire S3 in installments over a month and make more than they ever would with Chinatown or whatever A24 has out now.

still, i for one welcome any and all support in my continuing endeavor to bankrupt movie houses

you are far away

what? do things appear?

Started rewatching from the very beginning. The pilot is such a perfect thing. It's interesting to see it again from the perspective of The Return. Gerard (one-armed man) was a traveling shoe salesman? At some point did he ditch the real world and wander into the red room for good?

I'm almost done with the first season and it still blows my mind that this was on network TV in 1989/90.

Shots of the Palmer house exterior give me the willies now. It is almost a character itself.

Who says Gerard/Mike was ever in our world or the lodge for real long stretches? (What is time to a being like that anyways?) Maybe he is back and forth, selling shoes to sherrifs all over the place, making valuable connections.

Occasional spells doin murders, when creamed corn is running low, I guess

Re network TV, did they even look at the episode with Maddie's murder before it aired? Yikes

I wonder if there is some connection between the way they highlighted the opiod crisis / general sad state of the youth in The Return and Mike appearing to be a good guy. His need for garmonbozia collection well looked after with a steady stream of suffering in the town he is minding. Of course maybe the entire thing is a trap for Cooper. Aah this show.

I don’t know if Gerard existed before MIKE - we know that MIKE is like BOB, and rebelled/converted, cutting off his arm. He hides in the Gerard identity, but whether it’s a possession or if MIKE/Gerard’s appearance is like the appearance of BOB when outside of his host.

(He hides with the use of anti-psychotics)

Right right. Gerard would've been born around the same time as Sarah and the bomb? Maybe a radioactive spider bit his arm.

Is MIKE one of the few people with understanding to mention God? “When I saw the face of God...” or what have you.

damn, I guess? The only split lodge spirit as well? The arm and Mike were one, right, not some kind of double possession before the arm came off?

I'm all kinds of mixed up now. I'm early into a rewatch and I checked out the new series of videos on YouTube by "corn pone flicks" (recently completed?) that gave me a lot new to chew on. Only half remembering all of it.

Extra-textual explanation would just be that it was the pilot, and the God stuff is just out of place.

laura palmer is the face of god/love

definitely some stuff in the pilot that it seems like they discarded. But didn't he talk God again when they were questioning him at the police station?

Brad, do we have confirmation on this?

I might be getting the timeline muddled. He certainly seemed more central in the pilot than he turned out to be, I guess?

I had some theories about MIKE being the only Lodge entity that looked the same in his real-world manifestation but they got shot all to hell over the course of The Return.

wait, what other forms does he have in the Return?

Brad, do we have confirmation on this?

― maffew12, Wednesday, September 25, 2019 5:47 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nope it literally just occurred to me as an idea. sounds right to me, still

Brad, do we have confirmation on this?

― maffew12, Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:47 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, Lynch explained it in both his Blu-ray commentary and in the many interviews he's given where he patiently answers in detail every lingering question about the show.

MIKE doesn't take other forms in The Return but I had some whackadoo notion that Doppelcooper would wind up losing an arm at some point or something, I don't even know, we were all in a wildly speculative mode back then.

lol what

also, Blu-ray commentary???

Yeah, he recorded several of them. Once he finally popped the cork he just couldn't stop explaining everything.

(If it isn't clear, I'm talking utter shit rn.)

you know i don't think i've ever really thought about this before but if bob had been successful in taking over laura the world would've ended pretty much immediately

everything would've been erased and we'd be at peace

Gerard/Mike occupies a strange place in the show. Started as an homage to The Fugitive and was meant to be a brief nonspeaking role. Once Lynch realized that he was a legit actor he wanted more of him. Gerard is only glimpsed briefly in the pilot (except for Euro movie version). I think he mentions God during Cooper's dream (which used the same footage). I haven't gotten to the interrogation where they deny him his drugs, so I can't remember if he mentions God there. But yeah, God can mean a lot of different things.

Lynch and his cowriter for Fire Walk With Me began to really figure out Mike & The Arm (little man from another place) during the writing of FWWM, so a lot of what happened with them prior to that was just winging it.

In my imagination, Philip Gerard was a real man that got wrapped up in the lodges. He was a salesman, his best friend was Bob Lydecker, the veterinarian in Twin Peaks. Between season 2 & 3 he went into the red room and stayed there, trying to make up for the wrongs he had done in the past. But trying to make real sense of it is a fool's game.

Still, I was taken aback at seeing him acting as a normal dude with his shoes and whatnot.

I’m pretty sure in the interrogation he repeats a lot of stuff he said in the dream verbatim (the poem obv, but I feel like some other stuff too) so the god line may have reappeared there

I guess we'll never know for sure

Yes, Lynch explained it in both his Blu-ray commentary and in the many interviews he's given where he patiently answers in detail every lingering question about the show.

I practically never type this, but: lol.

how do i know you know anything about... this?

purple ocean dimension: shades of planet caladan (and unrelatedly, myst)

Someone we know who is "in the know" just let something Very Interesting slip about the future of TWIN PEAKS

If it's true, we'll be squealing and giddy in 2020!

— Hollywood Horror Museum 🧛 (@horrormuseum) September 27, 2019

https://i.imgur.com/nyj8ofE_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

aaaaaahhhhh

It isn’t really anything until someone that isn’t “Hollywood horror museum” says it is (and I still find it hard to envision any more twin peaks stuff with so many key players gone) but hell

I don’t think Twin Peaks is really about key players to Lynch tho. Outside of a few. FWWM and S3 were pretty gnarly in the ways he refigured or replaced them.

Yeah I guess, like Carel Struycken wasn’t even brought back for the film, & half the original cast had their scenes cut... the biggest absence from the return might be Donna considering her importance to the film. That said one of the moving things about the third series is how they bent over backwards to include people like Phoebe Augustine and Walter Olkewicz, or made Don Davis & David Bowie’s characters central despite both actors being dead, or how they replaced Michael Ontkean but made sure his absence was felt by making constant references to it, and so on.

I know ppl think ray wise didn’t get enough screen time or whatever but for a ruthlessly unsentimental assault on nostalgia it can be pretty sweet at times. But anyway yeah, I think if Lynch wanted to do more he wouldn’t be too stymied by missing actors - I really just mean I personally have a hard time picturing any kind of continuation without Albert and log lady ☹️

otm

I’m not expecting a new series, would be happy if Lynch just gets to keep making stuff, but will note that season 3 was also announced just a few months after a box set was released.

I could just as easily imagine it turning out to be a new series unrelated to TP

Wally Brando: The Return

Would love an American road trip w wally tbh

I really hate that this is the case but I get the feeling Lynch might come to the conclusion that he can’t get films funded unless they’re twin peaks-related, and if he wants to realise the ideas in the antelope don’t run no more he has to hang them on a continuation of tp

If there is another season, Cooper would need to fulfill his destiny in some way and be released. It would seem gratuitous to have *three* shockingly tragic endings for Coop.

i don't believe that at all. lynch will do what he wants to do. if he's done with twin peaks and wants to do other stuff i don't see why he couldn't get funding.

He’s been talking about the difficulty of getting his films made since before inland empire I think? idk it’s similar to what John Waters said a few years back about how small- & megabudget films get backed but the middle ground was disappearing (& he was like, I’m an old guy, fuck if I’m gonna be a guerrilla filmmaker at this stage of my career). From what it says in the biography antelopes is an ambitious script that would be expensive to film the way Lynch wants & that was a sticking point - I don’t think it’s exactly controversial to say that Showtime would probably not have signed on for Untitled 18-Part David Lynch Series in 2014

otoh things are quite different now with bezos tv putting out refn and such so who knows, I just don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that everyone’s in a mad rush to write cheques for the guy unattached to any “property”