Also, the gospel vocals and guitar licks on "I'll Remember You" help, notably in the tug they give the middle eight ("Didn't I sleep, didn't I weep beside you/With the rain blowing in your haaaaiiirrrr?").
If you think gospel is "schmaltz," then our dictionaries are different.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
Yeah I thought twice about using “doggerel” but I’m pretty tired and it was the word which conveyed a sense of rote cliché at the time. And Alfred I was being a touch sarcastic there.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
gospel is blues with a religious base, i can't hear that in that song. though i must admit that most of the time i prefer the idea of gospel to its' execution. weirdly enough on sunday mornings i love gospel though. additionaly i am not a fan of dylan's christian phase at all.
― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:47 (four years ago) link
gospel is blues
hm no
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
I mean sometimes it is but not always
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
probably should be an ILM dylan thread drinking game to see how long it takes for alfred to bring up empire burlesque (and for me to start posting bootlegs)
― tylerw, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
would also have accepted Street Legal
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
gospel is blues with a religious base
With respect, this isn't the least bit true.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
it may be a simplification but there is a link between those two. both of them have a strong effect on the listener. blues does not preach, it only tells the facts whereas gospel does preach in a kind of worshipping way.
― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
I think even if you were restricting yr definition of gospel to African Americans that still wouldn't really hold true, if we're considering the actual musicological aspects of blues (melodic patterns, blues scale, specific chord progressions) there's lots of gospel that doesn't include those elements.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
both styles are very broad and overlap, but one is not a subset of the other
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
did someone say......STREET LEGAL?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6i6Pbpc0z4
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:18 (four years ago) link
I like Robyn Hitchcock's "Not Dark Yet" cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXlZ_sKb-Y
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
Solid album. Quite dark.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:54 (four years ago) link
that live version of cold irons bound upthread is crazy good.
my favs are that one, not dark yet, and standing in the doorway. agree with the chatter about make you feel my love, was requested to play that during a wedding ceremony and nearly fell asleep at the piano.
― normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:07 (four years ago) link
Oh and pardon self-xposting but another good "Not Dark Yet" in a different way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ixkCXSI7M
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
I miss Dylan playing guitar.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 01:41 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
oh, i was the only voter for the song i voted for, interesting.
― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 05:32 (four years ago) link
Picking up from the Spector thread, coincidentally Marc Maron just did a podcast with Daniel Lanois, and they spend a little time talking about the Dylan records:
http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1193-daniel-lanois
The most amusing and impressive bit involves the loops Lanois made for Time Out of Mind. I know he's talked about making loops for the album elsewhere, and it's been reported many times that Dylan gave Lanois a whole bunch of old blues records (e.g. Charley Patton) prior to recording just to show him what he had in mind. But apparently, the loops were an insurance policy. It was understood that Dylan wanted an old blues sound, but Lanois was afraid that they would end up sounding like a bar band. So he gathered the key players that were hired for the album and had them play along with the exact same records Dylan given him. Then he wiped those vintage records from the multi-track so that all that was left was their own playing, and those were turned into loops. That way if things didn't go so well at the recording sessions, he could dig those up and use them as is or as a backing track to play along with. Kind of a brilliant cheat.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 05:58 (three years ago) link
Mark Howard recorded another interview about working on this album:
https://dylanfmc.castos.com/podcasts/44253/episodes/s0103-mark-howard-engineer-time-out-of-mind
Actually not as redundant as I would think, he does give more details on why it was such a difficult project to work on. For example, it's already known that changing locations made things difficult, but he goes into further detail on why. For example, Criteria may have been a famous studio, but the physical room where they recorded their most famous stuff in the '70s had been converted into their tape vault, and the place they were stuck with sounded like shit with plaster all over the walls, etc. (Apparently it was the room used for their music video productions.)
Also good stuff that's worth repeating, like how they ended up mixing Dylan's voice through the harmonica amp, and how Dylan was a big fan of Beck and wanted to "sound like him" (i.e. incorporate some hip-hop inspired tricks that Beck used on his records).
― birdistheword, Monday, 5 September 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link
Like Erica Jong?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 September 2022 19:46 (one year ago) link
I’m walking throughThe summer nightsJukebox playing low
― Heez, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 03:38 (one year ago) link