PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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I have never heard of Tom Watson

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:17 (four years ago) link

feeling very seen and shamed that i *know* who all those ppl are tbrr

i shd take up something non-toxic and useful, maybe pokemon

mark s, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link

There are obvious similarities

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:19 (four years ago) link

Watson is that steroids guy who bravely brought down the paedo ring, that Kevin Costner movie The Untouchables is based on him

calzino, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:20 (four years ago) link

If this the last week or so is a tactical error by Cummings/Johnson, what should they have done differently. If you want to leave on the most definitive terms possible, what was the right move here?


1000000 xposts but they nearly had it right! Their route to success has always been “have an election blamed on someone else before the 31st, with No Deal on the table (to keep BXP onside) and with Brexit undefined (to keep the country onside), and bribe people to forget austerity.”

Which is what they’re trying to do. But:

1. They had to make No Deal feel real but not imminent. Remain votes kept failing because rebels thought they still had time to work with. Prorouging meant they felt time running out and became willing to take career-limiting risks.

2. They had to make a deal seem tangible. Phoning in the “negotiations” so transparently undermined that too.

3. I am pretty sure they just plain forgot they couldn’t call an election all by themselves (most of the commentariat did too). He has never looked weaker than when saying “I don’t want an election and Crumbum won’t even give me the one I don’t want“

stet, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:20 (four years ago) link

l-r: johnson, cummings
https://i.imgur.com/8WwvFwG.jpg

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:21 (four years ago) link

xp how would you get the bants when Big Baz goes off though

Last night was a gift to memes

I’d like to bring something to Westminster’s attention pic.twitter.com/rkLcFNHfJz

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gyac, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:22 (four years ago) link

after last night I need a new fav Tory. I'm concerned Tommy Tugz smile is too bland & Dec-ish, but he does apparently speak dari

ogmor, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:24 (four years ago) link

Scottish judge chucked out the "no proragation" case

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:24 (four years ago) link

Gina McKee and John Majors still at bat tomorrow tho

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link

Northern Ireland one still on, too, I think?

coup de twat (suzy), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:26 (four years ago) link

yesterday the FT said Sobez had one with Jess Phillips as well?

ogmor, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link

I've lost track of which one's which tbh

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:31 (four years ago) link

Sleepwalking into disaster pic.twitter.com/C06GRR4H1O

— cyriak harris (@cyriakharris) September 4, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link

jacob rees-qwop

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:34 (four years ago) link

cyriak :D

imago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link

The JRM picture says more than a thousand words. But these are some sweet words imo:


Rees-Mogg's 'arrogant' speech cost government four extra vote, says Tory rebel

Turning back to Jacob Rees-Mogg, it has emerged that he single-handedly managed to push the size of the rebellion last night over the 20 mark. In an interview with the Today programme’s Ross Hawkins, Guto Bebb, one of the most prominent rebels, said that Rees-Mogg’s speech helped to persuade four MPs to join him in voting against the government. Bebb said:

There were at least four individuals who were still doubtful who changed their position to being supportive and voting with us on the back of Jacob’s performance. He was deemed to be arrogant, out of touch and I think the way in which he treated some of the interventions was a red rag to bull in many cases.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:37 (four years ago) link

Philip Lee said he quit cos of the way JRM dismissed the doctor worried about no deal

gyac, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link

If this bill can get done a prorogued Parliament hurts the govt more than the opposition so probably a good thing in short term if the cases fail

stet, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:42 (four years ago) link

Yeah they're a side show at the moment, don't think Johnson will be more meaningfully damaged by losing in court

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:43 (four years ago) link

CHRIS MORRIS: Do you feel any pride now, about that?
SIR ARTHUR STREEB-GREEBLING: I feel nothing but pride. That's all I do feel. An empty pride, a hopeless vanity, a dreadful arrogance, a stupefyingly futile conceit - but at least it's something to hang onto. pic.twitter.com/ozXp5X4TXI

— Ian Penman (@pawboy2) September 4, 2019

calzino, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link

There is some debate over whether all this – the prorogation, the expulsions – is a series of improvised moves born of panic or, on the contrary, a cunning plan. Within that question is a related one: is the PM’s chief aide, Dominic Cummings, an evil genius or what Marina Hyde calls a “crap svengali”? One of the victims of the Tory purge – Tory grandee and Churchill’s grandson Nicholas Soames – told BBC Newsnight he believes this is all very deliberate. The assumption is that Cummings is intentionally baiting MPs so that he can trigger an election that Johnson will then cast as a populist battle of “people vs parliament”.

If that’s right, it is surely the most high-risk electoral strategy ever attempted in this country. It knowingly alienates moderate Tory voters who have always quite liked, say, Ken Clarke, thereby writing off a string of seats – in the south and the West Country – that are likely to fall to the Liberal Democrats. It similarly dooms the Tories in Scotland. So Johnson will begin the next election campaign with that immediate handicap. The Cummings plan is to make up for those lost seats, and gain many more, by winning pro-leave seats in the Midlands and north of England, many of them Labour-held, chiefly by neutralising the Brexit party. Why vote for Nigel Farage when you can get a no-deal, full-monty Brexit with Johnson?

The trouble with that is, there are plenty of onetime Labour voters who were happy to vote leave in 2016, happy even to vote for Farage in May’s European elections, who may nevertheless baulk at voting Tory. Still, Cummings and Johnson are gambling on the belief that they can burn down every other plank of historic Tory support, but win power by delighting the hardcore Brexit base. Win the 35%, enrage everyone else.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/04/boris-johnson-electoral-gamble-wreck-tory-party

Freedland trying to figure out if it's Machiavellian or cunning Baldrick style. "Full-monty Brexit with Johnson" is a sentence I'll not forget today, sadly.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:50 (four years ago) link

sics aggressively rude style of posting stands out for sure

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link

sicco mode

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link

slouching towards bedlam

― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 09:16 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

second a+ post in as many days, brexitbos good again

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link

At cabinet this morning the chancellor discussed his plans ahead of today’s spending round where he will present an ambitious domestic agenda, delivering on the government’s priorities. He said that thanks to the hard work of the British people and tough decisions made over the last decade, we are beginning a new decade of renewal.

We are delivering a step-change in spending on people’s priorities, which is why we are spending more on the NHS, properly funding our schools, boosting further education and tackling violent crime by hiring 20,000 new police officers.

The prime minister thanked the chancellor and HM Treasury for all of their work and said that levelling up was at the core of this spending round, unlocking the talent of the whole of the United Kingdom.

corbyn did this

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:00 (four years ago) link

xp
if he is hardy enough to dish it out and take it without crying, what concern is there to keep fucking droning on about it? beyond doing your daily trolling rounds of course!

calzino, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:03 (four years ago) link

first "surrender bill" of the day :D

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:03 (four years ago) link

Moggwump the H8 pencil in human form needs to be kneecapped by MPs and media alike much more on how he stands to profit from No Deal imo

nashwan, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link

Hours of daylight on potential election day possibly an issue. If shorter daylight= lower turnout that will probably benefit tories. December 21st poll then.

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:11 (four years ago) link

I’d settle for him just being kneecapped tbh xp

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:12 (four years ago) link

calz if pointing out the utterly pointlessly aggressive approach taken by a few gatekeepers in this thread to any discussion they dont like is trolling find me a bridge to underhabit

if we have to discuss it in the combative terms that seem to be required i just think, to drone on, that yourself and others could probably do without being such right cunts quite so often. its not like the fractured smash of uk politics isnt a broad church at present with some room for uncertain questioning.

this is where i type "idk, but" so that wins can declare im being whimsically obtuse or whatever

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:12 (four years ago) link

ken clarke for pm an all

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link

lol you are often obtuse and a troll, and a complete cunt in the same post. So i can't really take your faux outrage here seriously. A couple of harsh sentences got posted late at night, nobody got thread-banned, nobody died - nothing to see.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:17 (four years ago) link

but you agree about ken clarke

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:18 (four years ago) link

jazz is good now

mark s, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:18 (four years ago) link

goodbye pork pie tugendhat

anyway lol

Not sure which version of the last night's meme I like best... pic.twitter.com/WUa6UnuqOv

— Martin Stabe (@martinstabe) September 4, 2019

nashwan, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:19 (four years ago) link

I was not being pointlessly aggressive btw. Just trying to get some sense out of what sic was saying last night. It was odd to get someone on the JC hates the EU just at the moment he was doing his best to keep its integrity xps

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:19 (four years ago) link

Woodcraft in Corbynworld

^my people

Jimmy Crubbles played a blinder last night. Very much the right man for the moment. Saying this not just to avoid a tankie monstering. (Monster away). Political machinations are definitely his thing. Looking forward to his upcoming premiership, but also to effective labour succession planning because we could do with not being lead by an old white man for at least a little bit (record with old white women is poor too).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:20 (four years ago) link

BJ just called JC caracas lmao

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:20 (four years ago) link

jazz always was good

calzino, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link

caracas!.jpg

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link

the matter is closed xyz we shall all carry on posting (bags sid james)

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:23 (four years ago) link

in better news my drywall joke on twitter has nearly gone viral

mark s, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link

Hammond, Clarke and others still sitting on the government benches this morning

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:25 (four years ago) link

Ok darragh until next time you pointlessly try and tell me off for the way I post just note you are wasting your time. I find the classroom monitoring cute at best.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:26 (four years ago) link

@NickBoles
Corbyn should learn from history. If Brown had called an election in Sept 2007, he would have won. By Oct, the honeymoon dust had worn off and it was too late. If Corbyn grants Johnson an Oct election, Johnson is odds on to win. By Nov, after an extension, he will be beatable.
10:24 AM · Sep 4, 2019

Buffoon undermines own argument - Johnson's honeymoon is already over, his polls bounce was pitiful and his party are at their weakest since before the global crash.

nashwan, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:28 (four years ago) link

I find the classroom monitoring cute at best

lol you do this all the time

mark s, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:28 (four years ago) link

hmm will certainly look out for anyone itt wasting their time lecturing ppl, thx

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:29 (four years ago) link

effective labour succession planning

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrrTkFyFrYPsz6dU4GjGpBxTj5OMbBD16ELZeRUqRuDjXGrOPZYw

He's ready

anvil, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 11:29 (four years ago) link


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