PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

jfc i take a bullet for the clown and as i turn around to die i see him sitting there calmly posting as he normally does

preeshed it deems

Dominic Cummings, do you want picking up in the morning pal?https://t.co/SFNYlBhPXd

— Stephen Smith (@SteveNickSmith) September 3, 2019

so like a tuna melt?

If this the last week or so is a tactical error by Cummings/Johnson, what should they have done differently. If you want to leave on the most definitive terms possible, what was the right move here?

Definitive/suicidal

He played a weak hand weakly, but whatever he did this was always going to end up with an election. Which I think he could win, unfortunately - although the most likely outcome is another hung parliament, and it all starts again like some hellish GIF we can't escape from

For what it's worth I agree with sic upthread - Labour has right policies, wrong leader. For whatever reasons, whether to do with his actual qualities or simply the perception of them, Corbyn will never appeal to a broad enough section of the population to allow Labour the absolute majority needed to implement their policies. There are other Labour people who could front those same policies with more chance of electoral success.

so sorry to share this

(Blows off finger guns) pic.twitter.com/rNEKfh42RO

— Peener Sweden (@PeenerSweden) September 3, 2019

There are other Labour people who could front those same policies with more chance of electoral success.

― Zelda Zonk,

Who's your preferred, ZZ?

Perhaps I’m late to the reception but I would like to note that calzphabet posts are frequently some of the most rewarding reading on this thread regardless of whether I can decipher exactly what their platform planks are (which btw seem pretty obvious to me - move fast & embrace socialism & kick out the royals)

Regardless I think the obvious answer is to elect Laura Pidcock for Queen, your nonexistent constitution probably allows that so “crack on” “tally ho” etc

I like this thread because there’s more drunk posting than the US politics thread

the drunk posting on the us politics threads is indistinguishable from the sober posting. It’s all just self mutilation until Trump is gone and McConnell is dead and the SCOTUS is no longer a lock to recriminalize abortion. Over here they have “snap elections” and “2nd refs” and all these glimmers of hope.

so hopeful (takes a drink)

truly anything could happen, but it's impossible to understand what is ever now happening—thrilling

xxxxxpost

I think someone like Keir Starmer could get Labour over the line

A lot of the “same policies, new leader” was tried in 2016 when Owen Smith ran against Corbyn, promising all the policies people liked about Corbyn - he lost.

KS is Not It; he has his place but he is not a natural leftist and the party membership want a left-wing leader. For better or for worse, the two parties are running on very distinct platforms, which you couldn’t say in 2015.

tl;dr, don’t make me tap the sign

How many times must I post Stephen Bush's speech to Progress from last year? pic.twitter.com/P6qwpf7FIM

— Phil Battersby (@WoyHattersly) August 20, 2019

Five weirder accounts Corbyn follows:

- Lisa Maffia
- Hairy Bikers
- SBTV
- lad bible
- Elizabeth Hurley

― gyac, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:09 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Lisa maffia tweets a lot of pro-corbyn stuff!

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7VhofoV3qs

pic.twitter.com/XFr3QAoEhn

— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) September 3, 2019

i enjoyed last night so much.

I like keir starmer bc of the mclibel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cImLnhBPo

xp twitter joke trial though

also, calz and comrade a v much otm wrt corbyn. he’s just won a great political victory and stood up to generate a cross-party coalition which has prevented no deal, both of which have left many expert columnists doing their kasper hauser routine and silently disavowing any previous articles they may have written. during which time swinson was running back and forth in an empty room.

in both of those he’s done a great service to home and foreign policy, including Ireland.

more generally it’s known he’s suspicious of the EU, and, frankly, although i voted remain, i think he’s probably right to be. their handling of the eurozone crisis was disastrous, and they’ll need to get serious and much more competent about migration. the euro is in a very precarious position. (but, but - the EU *have been practising serious politics in these and other matters over the last ten years in a way that is completely unknown to the Tory party, and i don’t think migration gets any more solved without an institution like the EU).

yes he’s rhetorically inflexible, and has a manner like marmite - a lot of people i know really don’t like him for what seem like visceral personal reasons (that bush quote about everyone knowing someone like corbyn cuts both ways). but a) who else? assuming we need a left wing politics after decades of Sensible drift to regional and social inequality. which we do. b) odd time to level criticism after such a victory. more of a time to wonder actually have many of the public criticisms of him been more wrong than right.

what he is - a committed internationalist with clear ideological principles for foreign policy engagement and the knowledge and thought to be able to back them up.

as an aside on manner/character, with a polarized electorate is it possible not to be 'marmite'? at least to some degree? It seems to me the only people that aren't marmite are those that don't have enough exposure to be marmite yet. They're all marmite in the end, the establishment managerial non-marmite types have been roundly rejected the world over

but then what do I know, my preferred candidate is Jamie Vardy

I mean the press monstered Ed Miliband for nothing more than the crime of being Jewish and advocating for some mildly redistributive policies, they were hardly likely to react well to someone who’s out there proudly saying “yeah landlords, you should feel afraid!”

the Vardy boys are good at solving mysteries tho!

Jared O’Mara watch: Jared did not turn up

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 22:27 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Chris Williamson abstained as well, unless he was dying he should be expelled from the party already.

Also I feel very cheered on this rainy morning by the optimistic post above from Fizzles

as an aside on manner/character, with a polarized electorate is it possible not to be 'marmite'? at least to some degree? It seems to me the only people that aren't marmite are those that don't have enough exposure to be marmite yet. They're all marmite in the end, the establishment managerial non-marmite types have been roundly rejected the world over

but then what do I know, my preferred candidate is Jamie Vardy

idk if you are noting in a general way that calphz are right about corbyn orvas a stirring defence of them in response to my searing attack but i was more concerned with method rather than content innit

i worry about their electability!

With a polarized electorate I don't know if anyone is particularly electable (with obv exception of man like vardz)

https://tenor.com/9zE9.gif

Calzino’s methods are unimpeachable

the dying embers of labour right thought Eagle and Smith possessed that mysterious electability quality, they ended up looking hapless and incompetent communicators - every charge they levelled at Corbyn.

idk if you are noting in a general way that calphz are right about corbyn orvas a stirring defence of them in response to my searing attack but i was more concerned with method rather than content innit

i worry about their electability!

Worth watching Sir Nicolas Soames and Ken Clarke rolling their eyes at the Chief Whip of the Conservative party: https://t.co/tjs0lJskEZ

— Tom Coates (@tomcoates) September 4, 2019

I see #brexitmehole is trending now. Torn between pride and concern that this is modern stage Irishness

if yeats went in front of us now we could ask him about riding iseult on the babys tombstone or whatever hed soon stfu

i say we press on with it

Just keep calling him a tan til he rage deleted and wrote September 2019 about it

this man
fedora lightly resting on his head
he too has tweeted in his turn
have i seen him on the telly
perhaps called into liveline
once, about the luas

alas, all changed, changed utterly
a taxable duty is born

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/70043472_10156522455002555_8203513549700464640_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkdHbzmr2ZfbWKvr5v17NG6zRREeyZmVcB9Bt5cLHsbsXVag9bDgSAzFirHbIz1qtc&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-2.fna&oh=26c953f72297c0e753226a89f45348eb&oe=5E09C362

I hope this classic headline is visible.

have to say “you can’t trust boris johnson” is quite a resonant message

LOL Dombo & Bojo The Clown carrying on with the Corbyn's Surrender Bill rhetoric this morning.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDmnEpuXsAE6MWm?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Just passed a card shop that had some derogatory sign with his face on it outside as an ad. Wonder how he feels when he goes around seeing that.

I'll be sad when this is fun is all over and we get back to the unspectacular, slow decay of the hated United Kingdom

With a polarized electorate I don't know if anyone is particularly electable (with obv exception of man like vardz)

yeah get used to coalitions, whoever's in charge (as much as I crave a Corbzino majority I still ultimately want PR)

'right policies wrong leader' like you can separate the two so easily yeesh

Shane Warne says boris is good and just get on with brexit for goodness sake. Glad the likes of him bringing shade and nuance.