PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

They might vote against one if it’s a lever to sneak in no deal, it’s been a consistent approach from them and they’d go hard on it.

Justine Greening standing down; she barely kept her seat last time.

lol @ spreadsheet phil dismissing "incomers and entryists" who have taken over his party and Cummings isn't even a party member, that's not a slur in my book.

Probably the most interesting Phil’s been since his disco goth years.

Do you think those standing down are set to vote against the government today?

presume they think they can get away w this strategy of saying 'we don't want an election' while all he time planning for one on 14/10 because most people don't follow this nonsense closely and 'we don't want an election' will be the thing that gets clipped on the 6 and the 9

xp most of them are remainers who hate Boris so you’d imagine so. He hasn’t got anything to threaten them with.

Shadow attorney general Shami Chakrabarti has been on the Today programme denying that there is division in the party over whether to back an election (see 6.28am).

She said Labour would “need to get the sequencing right” before backing an election, and would first need “a locked in guarantee that Britain would not crash out of the EU during a campaign period”.

Chakrabarti said if they could “lock things down to ensure we don’t crash out” then, of course, they would want a general election. “We are geared up for a general election and we want it as soon as possible.”

On a FB thread populated by long ‘90s media melts, they were openly begging for the return of Blair, as they do every time he’s on the news.

Must be nostalgic for another illegal war

there is no 'progressive alliance' to be had with Lib Dems. They're a centre-right party - their natural allies are the (rapidly dwindling) Cameronite wing of the Tory Party. That's about all there is to it tbh pic.twitter.com/NwN52W1x6g

— tom (@malaiseforever) September 3, 2019

Peter Walker’s not having a great time of it, is he?

pic.twitter.com/4iNfSZiCSH

— Cynical Bathtub (@cynical_bathtub) September 3, 2019

God I hate the shouty cunt outside of Parliament

God I hate Dan Walker

Would be good if Nigel Farage could just go away forever and have every record of his existence expunged, nothing of any value can be gained by any sort of consideration of him.

On a FB thread populated by long ‘90s media melts, they were openly begging for the return of Blair, as they do every time he’s on the news.

― coup de twat (suzy),

Curious about people in this area. Do you know if they were anti Iraq war? What do they think public perception of Blair is?

Tories on the radio calling today's vote undemocratic and shenanigans but who seem ok with last week's unilateral proroguing.

does suicide chess come in 5d?

Would be good if Nigel Farage could just go away forever and have every record of his existence expunged, nothing of any value can be gained by any sort of consideration of him.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

I'd rather him and his Brexit party stay a while longer.

there is no 'progressive alliance' to be had with Lib Dems. They're a centre-right party - their natural allies are the (rapidly dwindling) Cameronite wing of the Tory Party. That's about all there is to it tbh pic.twitter.com/NwN52W1x6g
— tom (@malaiseforever) September 3, 2019
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

LJs plan of a lib lab pact shattered.

won't matter to their voters - their progressive lodestar is 'remain'

The important thing for them is Blair won three elections and made it possible for people like them (white, aspirational) to just get on with enjoying their lives etc etc. I think it’s just as coddling a form of nostalgia as the Brexit faction’s version, the main difference being that the long ‘90s Blairite tendency is officially Not Racist - and I know a lot of them who marched against the war and kept voting Labour because their MPs were anti-war. *cough*

Quite an interesting story:

Dunkirk's experiment with free public transport has been a success, revitalising the town centre and handng a lifeline to poorer residents. It might not be workable everywhere but surely this is something cities should henceforth be seriously considering.https://t.co/rgBnvZncCj

— Oliver Farry (@ofarry) September 3, 2019

suspect they are now "but muh the iraq war" ppl who may have been anti-war at the time but (i) think people should get over it, (ii) believe the blair government's achievements outweighed its worst excesses & (iii) don't understand how important an animus it is for the current (returning) membership that JC and his close allies resisted the war

Thanks for that xyzzzz!

Have long thought all public transport should be free (or at least an aim)

labour policy to have bus travel free for under-25s... would hope they go further eventually

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Thanks Suzy, makes sense, kind of "I wish all the "stuff" would go out of the news instead of bothering me"? Wait till they find out about climate change!

as an ageing boomer i do also sometimes wish everything would go away, it's very exhausting and i will be 60 next year :(

i just know it won't go away without a big fuck-off fight and reorganisation-of-everything and if i'm choosing my fighter it's not going to be magical war criminal

and i will be 60 next year

if BG hasn't eaten me

Gosh those Blair achievements were great, I remember when he used his 100+ majority to eradicate poverty and reform our fucked up FPTP system

A million+ dead in Iraq is obviously the worst thing, but aside from that, every twenty years there's a chance to shift the UK's political consensus, and he had a huge majority to do just that, and he utterly squandered it.

if BG hasn't eaten me

yep Blair's first action as pm - with such a huge mandate - was monstering single parents on benefits and making cuts to them. he said something like: we could build a hospital week for what these subhumans are scrounging off the state. Obv he wanted to put out a message to the tory shires.

I mean there might be some inaccuracies in this account, but seriously I'm not that far off what actually happened here

We could build a hospital a week by asking our chums in the building trade to build them and then paying them billions of pounds of public money for the rest of forever

receipts on calzino's basically accurate charge btw: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-backs-harman-over-cut-in-lone-parent-benefit-1295256.html

and Blair's aggressive PFI-ing of the NHS was even beyond what Major thought a tory govt could get away with.

that shit actor melt who lives in the US doesn't include that on his New Labour wallpaper of great achievements!

But Polly Toynbee told me he was a missionary to the savage hottentots of the working class

the benefits from reducing congestion & emissions wld go a long way to paying for free buses and trams

Gosh those Blair achievements were great, I remember when he used his 100+ majority to eradicate poverty and reform our fucked up FPTP system

― Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, September 3, 2019 9:03 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The first thing he did on becoming PM was to sign up to the National Minimum Wage - how many previous Labour PMs had that as a wish list, and how many Conservatives had that down as a disaster and communism and such?

(Of course, Brexit, etc. means they can repeal it as soon as they have a nice majority along with the foxhunting, brah)

Anyway, it was a good start, but.

Son I work for minimum wage plus 8p and it's not all that trust me, also they created an entire byzantine system of tax credits just to subsidise exploitive employers who didn't want to pay their staff enough money to actually live on

"we're not the Tories" is not an adequate bar for a decade of allegedly Labour government with the biggest majority they'd ever had

tax credits are so easy to cut/take away as well, hence all the foodbanks.

*raises outsider hand*

hi

the fuck do ye get more rabid abt the only ppl ye can coalign with to beat tories/brexit than ye do about tories/brexit

thread is a murky bowl but what route to what objective like, if the goal isnt just idk bile

thks

it was becoming blinded to beating tories at any cost that has got us into this mess

I expect Tories to be evil, it kind of hurts worse when it's your supposed own team, if you fuck the Labour Party we have nothing.

Also yes Tories are bad Brexit is sort of bad liberals are the fucking worst

You'll be glad of a good cup of organic bile in the years to come.

Also you'm not exactly a Blair sympathiser yourself darragh

You'll be glad of a good cup of organic bile in the years weeks to come.

... confirmed rebels are: David Gauke, Rory Stewart, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Sir Oliver Letwin, Philip Hammond, Antoinette Sandbach, Alistair Burt, Richard Harrington, Guto Bebb, Caroline Nokes, Margot James, Sam Gyimah and Sir Nicholas Soames.

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I did lots of public housing refurbs in the Blair years. I saw levels of poverty and deprivation that some of these media cunts seem to think never existed in that era. I mean it's probably worse now - but that it was already bad and next to nothing was done to tackle the causes of it in a meaningful way is my memory of it. In fact the opposite - lots of the benefits scum talk came straight from the continuity Thatcher Blair gov.