Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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Good post flamoyant goon tie, but why do I feel like you're sercretly shilling for TurboTax?

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 2 September 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link

I just think it's worth approaching this kind of thing from a position of "what good or harm am I doing by publicly applying my critical facilities?". Your chances of impacting the specific case in question are effectively zero, so no good is coming of it in that sense. But other victims who haven't yet told their stories are possibly (probably!) hearing you, and the message you're giving them is "if you want the truth of what happened to you to be known and don't just want to be victimised further, you'd better make sure you tell the story in such a way that you meet *my* critical standards", and all that can do is make it harder for people to feel they can identify predators, which of course is actively helpful to those predators.

Like, the full version of "believe the victim" should probably go "believe the victim and state publicly that you do, OR feel free to not believe them but if that's your position then at least keep quiet about it because really, how is your voice helping anything otherwise?".

And ok I get that the answer to the last question is probably "it's helping protect people who might be falsely accused now or in the future" but a) that's a much tinier group of people than the group of people who have been victims of sexual misconduct and b) it's already a much better protected group of people too, and worst of all c) if it's a group that you feel you're potentially a member of yourself then that slips into the "my self preservation is more important to me than my compassion for people who have had been through traumatic experiences" zone.

JimD, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 08:43 (four years ago) link

but I personally believe that all possible avenues of resolution should be explored before making public call-outs.

fwiw I do absolutely agree with you here, but I still can't bring myself to be critical of anyone who doesn't feel they can do that, and chooses the public callout route instead.

JimD, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 08:46 (four years ago) link

(Which isn't to say you *are* being critical of those people, I mean you've specifically stated you aren't being, so I guess "but" was just a bad choice wrong word in that sentence).

JimD, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 08:48 (four years ago) link

A good and powerful and grim post about the Night in the Woods developer: https://medium.com/@bombsfall/alec-2618dc1e23e

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link

he posted on reddit a few days ago, saying he would follow up with a detailed post - this was it. really sad, but very thoughtful and explains things pretty well

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 13:24 (four years ago) link

Great essay.

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link

That's an exceptionally heavy essay and very well written and compassionate as well. I have learned (too late, in one instance) that it's very good practice to stay far away from people who seem to have nothing but negative shit to say about their exes, or their former close friends.

@ JimD, I could type all day about my thoughts on this, but I don't have much luck communicating effectively my thoughts on this topic in forums. It's more of a conversation. In general, though, you're right, I'm not generally critical of the people who engage in call-outs, I am critical of the mechanism itself. (I say this, too, as somebody who has engaged in a call out, and found the experience to be exhausting, professionally harmful, and ineffective.) I don't think "callouts" generally have a good track record for helping survivors heal, or holding the accused accountable. Certainly, on social media, it's become more of a circus-of-bullying than anything even tangentially related to social justice.

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link

Game publisher Nicalis, successful for smash hits like Cave Story and Binding of Isaac, has a dark side. A Kotaku investigation reveals employee exploitation, mismanagement, and a whole lot of workplace racism from founder Tyrone Rodriguez. My latest: https://t.co/S6U8RghwOO pic.twitter.com/btXZmWPPu8

— Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) September 12, 2019

Evan, Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link

yikes

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link

"please enjoy the comedy racism of Tyrone Rodriguez"

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link

that guy & nicalis in general has always been extremely shady

ciderpress, Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link

yeh not surprised that terribly run company is run by a terrible person

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...
two weeks pass...

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-07-10-interplay-silent-on-earthworm-jim-developers-racist-homophobic-remarks

No surprise that he's still a piece of garbage.

Nhex, Saturday, 11 July 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link

one of several original Earthworm Jim creators returning to work on a new exclusive entry in the series for the upcoming Intellivision Amico console


the what?

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 11 July 2020 11:37 (three years ago) link

huh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2CRuQNBzk

peace, man, Saturday, 11 July 2020 11:42 (three years ago) link

Finally, cornhole the way YOU want it

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 11 July 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link

surely GenXSys would've been the better name

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 July 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link

roid rage

fkknutter, Saturday, 18 July 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.wired.com/story/retro-gaming-violent-tragedy-rudy-ferretti/

Nhex, Monday, 31 August 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-08-30-ubisoft-pulls-black-lives-matter-raised-fist-from-new-tom-clancy-game-following-backlash

Ubisoft pulls Black Lives Matter raised fist from new Tom Clancy game following backlash
Admits it was "insensitive and harmful"

オニモ (onimo), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link

Doesn't explain why they chose to go with the harmful image in the first place. They really can't claim ignorance to the symbolism of a raised black fist.

オニモ (onimo), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 13:22 (three years ago) link

they can replace it with a facepalm

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link

shocked that a Tom Clancy adaptation could even be insensitive or harmful, what has the world come to?

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

this is. a real good thread pic.twitter.com/X0zcL7oTmE

— Nunki (@blodhundur) October 20, 2020

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

She’s amazing!

JimD, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 09:56 (three years ago) link

If you need another reason to avoid anything related to Harry Potter: https://kotaku.com/hogwarts-legacy-lead-designer-used-to-run-anti-social-j-1846316222

RZA Minnelli (Leee), Sunday, 21 February 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

this is just hands down the funniest image ive seen in a while. intel is making automated bleep software and im howling at the backend pic.twitter.com/w4fRq9qYIX

— bea (@beesmygod_) April 7, 2021

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link

"Just some misogyny and a few slices of apple servant. Perfection."

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link

yeah that is achingly stupid

rob, Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:17 (three years ago) link

I am wheezing

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.polygon.com/22538276/five-nights-at-freddys-creator-retiring-scott-cawthon-fnaf-new-developer

I have no appreciation for Five Nights at Freddy's so... yep, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Nhex, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link

Non-casual republicanism not accepted in video games

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Hadn't seen this mentioned (the details of the case raised by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing can be pretty harrowing tbh)

https://kotaku.com/the-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-fallout-is-what-women-h-1847350882

The cherry on the cake is who put out the "nothing to see here" statement

*squints* wait the Bush-era torture lady is an exec at Activision? https://t.co/fiOJ8AnOIl

— 10,000 Motivated Rats (@bombsfall) July 23, 2021

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 25 July 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link

https://kotaku.com/boyfriend-dungeon-is-being-subjected-to-tumblrs-messies-1847506425

there's a lot going on in this article, some of it tangential to this thread, i think, some of it not. some of it has to do with Fan Service stuff, and what Fans are entitled to. but also some of it is about how to respond to games where the professor has the hots for a student, or vice versa.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link

I have a headache now

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link

it's just another flavor of reactionary gamer harrassment campaign against women and queer creators, this time from people who claim to be progressive

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:32 (two years ago) link

xp

i know exactly what you mean lol

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link

i think where i come down on this is that i am

anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link

https://kotaku.com/boyfriend-dungeon-is-being-subjected-to-tumblrs-messies-1847506425

there's a lot going on in this article, some of it tangential to this thread, i think, some of it not. some of it has to do with Fan Service stuff, and what Fans are entitled to. but also some of it is about how to respond to games where the professor has the hots for a student, or vice versa.

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:13 (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this seemed very much to be assuming a thing that is huge in all anglophone culture is actually a product of the specific corner of anglophone culture the writer grew up in to the point i decided to stop reading it before i also got a headache

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Just when you think that Activision/Blizzard can't be more of a cluster than it already is: https://kotaku.com/bobby-kotick-actually-wrote-fran-townsends-deranged-co-1848069983

Nelleee Hooper (Leee), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 02:04 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

the classic 'try so hard to be woke you loop back around to phrenology'

ciderpress, Friday, 13 May 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

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