END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren

man what

longer "than necessary" for crut

like I said, special rules and new historical template for Bernie

like im currently giving money to both campaigns but people who think Bernie is somehow the problem in the current democratic field just absolutely baffle me

sorry i got way too worked up itt

i like bernie! i'm glad he's running!

Lol. I know this is the Berner thread, but guys, that's just pathetic whining.

there is a distinct possibility that no candidate will go into the DNC with a majority of the delegates and either warren or sanders will need the others' delegates to get over the 50% threshold in the subsequent voting rounds so i think it would be real real cool if both sides would be nice to each other

Sanders is in second place in about half of the recent polls (i.e. ahead of Warren), so wringing your hands about how Bernie might "stay in too long" and "hurt Warren" at this point is kind of absurd. And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.

xp agreed

i'm just still fucked up over 2016 & also frustrated with all my friends who are literally bernie or bust, it's sometimes hard to remind myself that most bernie supporters aren't like that

Even a lot of your friends who are "literally bernie or bust" are probably not literally bernie or bust. But yeah, that's objectively not that large a percentage of his supporters, nor was it last time.

And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.

it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/

anyway i'm sorry, i'll stop being a str8 white dude catastrophizing on ilx

sorry crüt didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. the Bernie die-hards can be trying but tbh I think a lot of it’s just Twitter hardmanning by ppl who are likely not even in swing states

Bernie + warren combined is still below Biden in most polls ghttps://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/) and that’s under the optimistic assumption that if either dropped out all voters would switch to the other (and it’s not just bernie busters who’d defect; a lot of Bernie first picks are Biden second picks, presumably many Warren second picks are for the other candidates)

flopson, that is not true. take harrisx out and most show bernie+warren totals > biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html)

im not saying to not pay attention to the harrisx poll, but its an aberration of sorts.

it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/

he's declining slightly but measurably, and a majority of folks responding to cold phone calls are still the sort of people who don't actually follow news and just recognise the word "Biden." though in current likelihood I'd rank the following

1: someone he respects convinces him to drop out and endorse Warren*
2: his brain melts so much at an appearance that he has to be put into care
3: the name-recognition lumpendemocrat abandon him

watched the Bernie / Killer Mike video this morning, that's some good praxis tbh

* though the main indicator of his senility is the ludicrous stubbornness shown by his insistence on running again when he has lost comprehensively every time before, and things like the "this story is God's exact truth, my word as a Biden" -> turns out every single detail of the story is incorrect, including his involvement -> "wtf, I know SOMETHING happened once and I was there, how dare anyone criticise me for misremembering 17 specifics that I insisted were accurate" from three days ago

interesting, so what’s up with Harrisx?

i haven't dug into their methodology, could be just how they collect their sample.

literally 137% of Biden support is "He seems like a nice old white man" or "I sure would like Obama back right now"

someone, pref not Bernie, should ask him at the next debate why O hasn't endorsed him

obama told him "you don't have to do this joe" lol

that same article went on to detail how obama’s provided a lot of advising and staff, iirc

Thanks Obama

was he like keeping the advisors and staff in a shed out back or something

running she deep state

*the

I thought Obama's staffers were all busy advising the Tories and running a podcast network.

Biden would probably think the Theresa May playbook is exactly the way to go, though.

Maybe, but he's thinking of the Margaret Thatcher playbook.

so...dying?

that was a joek based on Biden mixing up Thatcher and May on multiple occasions

in my defense my joke was better because it was about thatcher being dead

it's funny bcz it's true

Neera Tanden out here union busting. I wonder what editorial line the new ThinkProgress is going to take on the 2020 candidates?

she’s an arsehole

The Top 10 Candidates Meet: A Guide to Thursday’s Debate
The top Democrats will face off for the first time. Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren will be at the center.

at it again!

“We need a mass movement to make her plans a reality, and we’re going to be a part of that work,” WFP director Maurice Mitchell said. “You don’t defeat the moderate wing of Democrats through thought pieces or pithy tweets, you defeat their politics through organizing.”

Mitchell is correct here — which makes the choice of Warren baffling.

If you read his quote out of context or without its pronouns, you might assume that Mitchell was praising Sanders, not Warren. After all, Sanders has made such organizing central to his campaign.

Sanders’s 2020 slogan is “Not me, us.” He has used his campaign infrastructure to turn thousands of supporters out to union picket lines and immigrant rights protests. Sanders recently stated that once elected, he would be the “organizer-in-chief.” Even in his policy plans, like his recently announced labor law reform plan, he emphasizes that such reforms can’t be achieved without organizing a mass movement from below.

Warren, meanwhile, has staked her campaign on being the candidate who has “a plan for that.” Her proposals (domestically, at least) are, on the whole, solid progressive policies, though never stronger than Sanders’s. But not until the last few weeks has she even made rhetorical nods to building the kind of movement that Sanders argues we need, much less done anything to actually build that movement.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/working-families-party-endorsement-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders

^^^ i'm a single-issue voter on this point tbh

on which point?

so now the WFP are by implication sellouts? OK.

My lefty friends on FB called Warren a "corporate tool" yesterday.

RMDE!

If the WFP views bottom-up organizing, of and by a multiracial working class, as a core necessity to win social change, why would the party endorse Warren, whose campaign has catalyzed neither — especially over Sanders, whose campaign has?

lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.

opinion polls = gobbitch

on which point?

primacy of organizing, danger of plan talk

Daily reminder that NY voters have until October 11, 2019 to switch party affiliation to Democrat to vote in the New York Democratic Primary.

Thank you to @majorityfm for being the first independent media outlet to discuss this.

Who is next? pic.twitter.com/DB1YnIZqA0

— NY For Sanders #Bernie2020 (@NYforSanders) September 17, 2019

wassup yall

:)

I thought this was a good take on the WFP kerfuffle / the Sanders/Warren conflict more generally even if I don't agree with quite all of it myself

https://theoutline.com/post/7983/wfp-endorsement-warren-sanders?zd=1&zi=gmyqldmy

lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC