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saw a bunch of stuff about how annoying her fanbase is, and the dumb way her perfectly reasonable quote about Future was taken in the most bad faith way

just feel like she's getting the we stan an icon treatment which comes with an inevitable backlash esp given her audience with non rap fans

Do yourself a favor and don't look at the number of people who called Lizzo, a human person, their spirit animal during the VMAs last night.

— Daniel Ralston (@danielralston) August 27, 2019

she is getting the weird gross fetishization that famous black women get from white people (i recently heard a 30 something white woman say that she was more into lizzo "as a personality" than her music). not a reason to have a backlash against lizzo obv.

You know, it really sucks huge ass that Missy is getting dragged into all this shit because the narrative in the 90s was "she's a genius making the most forward thinking pop music around" and not I WANT MY FULL FIGURED QUEEN TO CRUSH MY LARYNX

I can confirm that in my world of 30-something white ladies, she has fully crossed over.

― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, August 29, 2019 1:52 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ain't this the truth. my wife and my female coworkers have very little in common taste-wise, but reppin Lizzo is definitely on the shortlist.

When I looked the other day the top comment on Lizzo’s “Truth Hurts" was

This song makes me feel like an independent straight black woman.

I'm a dependent gay white boy.

Which really neatly sums up the fetishistic gaze behind a lot of her popularity quite nicely

Stan culture makes everything kind of annoying like when someone wears a weird outfit and Twitter is like THIS IS ICONIC ABSOLUTE LEGEND and then no one remembers a day later

but in terms of the backlash to Lizzo her approach was her approach before all this I don't see it as calculated

🎶 New man on the Minnesota Timberwolves 🎶

cc: @KarlTowns @lizzo 😂 pic.twitter.com/FQveOCZA2K

— Timberwolves (@Timberwolves) December 9, 2019

my wife and my female coworkers have very little in common taste-wise, but reppin Lizzo is definitely on the shortlist.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, August 29, 2019

thoughts on "rumors"? i have mixed feelings about the production but it's kinda great anyway

yeesh

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lizzo-dancers-weight-shamed-pressured-touch-nude-performer-lawsuit-rcna95161

not good

There's more

https://jezebel.com/lizzos-former-documentary-director-says-she-walked-away-1850699044

saw a tweet about her forcing her dancers to "eat bananas from each others' poodles" and honestly thought it was a joke

That’s the part of this I can’t wrap my head around, like when is it okay to pressure someone into eating a coochbanana?

Beyoncé appeared to leave Lizzo off the list of musical icons she references in her song, “Break My Soul (The Queens Remix).” Videos recorded of the concert show the singer repeating Erykah Badu’s name four times at the time Lizzo would typically be called out. Her name, however, continued to flash on the screen behind Beyoncé.

Then again, it could actually be blowback from this: https://pagesix.com/2023/08/01/erykah-badu-shades-beyonce-over-tour-looks-guess-im-everybodys-stylist/

*sigh*

lizzo basically turned herself into pop ellen degeneres & now is now catching the same backlash, which seems fitting

Did Ellen make co-workers go to strip clubs and interact with the sex workers?

i mean... would it shock you if she did?

lizzo's whole miss positivity, extreme gregariousness, i'm all about love schtick has struck me as performative and false so I'm glad to hear that my instincts may have been right in this case.

tbf she is a performer

genuinely not looking to pile on her, but wasn't Lizzo the one who doxxed a Postmates driver and sent her fans after them for the mistaken belief that her food was stolen?

yeah that was the first thing i flashed on when i heard about this new stuff

Lizzo’s dance captain, who’s also named in the lawsuit, seems like a real piece of work:

Lizzo’s dance captain, Shirlene Quigley, takes to Instagram following lawsuit that alleges she attempted to convert dancers to Christianity and inappropriately simulated oral sex in front of them:

“I just wanted to get on here really quick and say God is so, so good!” pic.twitter.com/c8CuFf0LdF

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) August 2, 2023

oooooooof

yeah that's fucking obnoxious. sorry for being the cynical gen xer but whenever anyone is this over the top, my suspicions are raised.

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can I, once again, ask for a moratorium on the "OMG I SO KNEW THEY WERE BAD NEWS" posts whenever something like this happens. like....congrats, here's a Wendy's gift card.

thanks, i don't eat meat though

i didn't have an opinion on Lizzo at all, i don't know if this is her thing, but i think anyone whose positive attitude inevitably works to draw the attention back to themselves raises red flags. there are a ton of celebs (definitely not all) along these lines who are beloved but whose narcissism is in full bloom at all times.

the Postmates thing really bothered me at the time, how you treat service workers is 100% the biggest tell about a person (idc if that means I'm doing the I always thought she was bad news thing, it's been proven right so many times in my personal life)

that totally passed me by somehow but it does answer a question I've had for a long time which was "what if taylor swift went evil and told her online stans to go murder someone"

the Postmates thing really bothered me at the time, how you treat service workers is 100% the biggest tell about a person (idc if that means I'm doing the I always thought she was bad news thing, it's been proven right so many times in my personal life)

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 2, 2023 1:14 PM bookmarkflaglink

I really don't have any patience for someone who sics a mob of people on somebody over something really inconsequential. like, sure, in some cases it might be warranted, but over mundane bullshit, it's just a form of self-gratification, to 'dominate' and 'defeat' somebody publicly

fun story I have a friend who moved to Detroit about 10 years ago who actually met Lizzo on a dating app. obviously she wasn't famous back then but I remember him telling me about her, like she sent him a bunch of bedroom recordings and videos. I remember watching some of them! clearly she was talented but it blew my mind to see her become actually famous a couple years later. unfortunately they didn't really jive so they stopped talking after a couple of dates. feel like I should check in and see if she ever made him get freaky with a banana or whatever.

Some of these accusations are fairly extreme/shocking, even by the typical standards of celebrity bullying/power-tripping.

I didn't realize she told Chris Brown (when she met him backstage, in 2021), "You're my favorite person in the whole fucking world." That's... something.

holy shit that Jesus post from the dance captain

God and oral sex in the same sentence

as it should be

(Connecting sexual gratification to the Divine is the least-objectionable thing going on here; it’s one thing to be all “God is good, I’m CUMMING” and another to be all “and this is why you have to eat the banana”)

can I, once again, ask for a moratorium on the "OMG I SO KNEW THEY WERE BAD NEWS" posts whenever something like this happens. like....congrats, here's a Wendy's gift card.

LOL

I don't follow Lizzo outside of her music, so all this is new to me. (That nonsense over Postmates is flat out insane all around.) I will say if really bad shit ever came out about Prince, I'd imagine it would be like all of this.

I mean, it has, hasn't it? lots of stuff known about Prince's viciousness as well as grooming behavior

He could definitely be a real dick to anyone working for him, but I don't remember there ever being a sexual element. It was typically him being extremely demanding and insulting if you either failed to meet his standards or were involved with some artist he considered to be vastly inferior.

In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met 32-year-old Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.[14][4] Upon moving to Minneapolis, Prince and members of his team helped set her up with her own apartment. "At first, I stayed at the Sofitel, then they moved me to a nice little prairie house at the Country Suites, but I couldn't even make a cup of tea there, so they got me an apartment and rented furniture," she said.[15] When she was 19, Prince instructed her to get on birth control thus beginning their sexual relationship.[4][16] After a four-year courtship, they married on February 14, 1996.[17]

Ugh....yeah that. Also that bad shit he did to Sinéad the one time they met, likely out of extreme pettiness and jealousy.

Lizzo has always coded to me as Bad Straight Camp, the Top 40 equivalent of Liza Minelli doing the Single Ladies dance in Sex & The City

sick burn haha

*checks phone* it may no longer be bad bitch o'clock or thicc thirty

she's literally just bruno mars w/ a significantly fewer number of great songs

oh shit reading the "about damn time" lyrics on google... i always thought it was "cuz i don't give a fuck / weigh too much", not "cuz i give a fuck way too much"

anyway that section always stuck in my craw, specifically ending it with "mm, that's how i feel right now." like, you're just repeating yourself like some kind of a.i. lizzo! your wit is not effortless and sparkling, it is occasionally okay but mostly basic and weedy.

xp yes definitely, and agree that bruno mars is a step above