If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

Russ Chooglin

^^^ I see what you did there...

A video popped up on my Facebook yesterday with John telling his Woodstock story about playing after the Dead. Dead dropped acid before they went on, and then there were rain and PA delays, which must have been a huge cluster... A bunch of Deadheads were commenting and calling John a whiner, saying the Dead's legacy is so much greater than CCR's. I dunno, I don't have a punchline to this story, I just know which band I'd rather listen to.

I think I saw that Ramble Tamble band live several years ago

they're pretty good — but the band name is perhaps a little misleading, haha.

Only on Choogle Maps can you find Louisiana just a mile from Texarkana.

kudos

Deadheads not taking kindly to any criticism of their beloved band shockah

And not taking kindly to any mention of quality control

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^^^^superb

A+

And not taking kindly to any mention of quality control

― The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, August 29, 2019 1:48 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

The thing is, the Dead themselves admitted they sucked at Woodstock, and most Deadheads (I almost used the phrase "discerning Deadheads," but thought better of it) don't rate that performance highly at all. I don't think it was any kind of holy grail for, or otherwise coveted by, tape traders.

A bunch of Deadheads were commenting and calling John a whiner, saying the Dead's legacy is so much greater than CCR's. I dunno, I don't have a punchline to this story, I just know which band I'd rather listen to.

― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:34 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The absolute worst thing about the Grateful Dead is their legacy. And I say that as a fan.

Thanks. Curious what exactly you mean by “legacy” here.

I assume maybe you mean the huge body of recordings.

I meant their legacy as it's manifested itself in innumerable "jam" bands and the cultures that surround most of them.

nice one joygoat.

The Dead certainly have a larger, longer "legacy" of touring for decades, people travelling for multiple runs of shows, trading tapes... the whole Dead gestalt is a unique thing. I haven't heard the new CCR Woodstock recording yet, but they seem like a pretty fine-tuned machine, driven by a very exacting taskmaster, whereas the Dead were the complete antithesis of that: a bunch of hippies who would gobble acid before going out to play in front of half a million people. There's a great story of the whole Dead debacle I was just reading here:

http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-dead-at-woodstock-guest-post.html

^Thx for posting this, it's very interesting (and well-written)

yeah that was great

All right, m. bison and joygoat. Someone might have to call the state militia.

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lol so good

Brilliant.

lol

we owe some gratitude to the random motorist who missed his turn

LOLz

Better turn through the choogle

A+++

I was actually in Lodi a couple years ago and I parked in front of a bar that was named "Stuck In Lodi" that looked like it had recently been closed permanently... sad ironic Central Valley vibes.

I think I have a pic of it buried somewhere in my phone.

Is this just a little south of Moline?

Er, *showf* of Moline?

kudos pp for this exceptional work

Hahahaha

i just want to confirm: no one has matched CCR's incredible achievement of releasing three remarkable albums in the same year, right? Bayou Country (1/5/69), Green River (8/3/69), and Willy and the Poor Boys (11/2/69).

i know this has probably been discussed multiple times, but it's difficult to search, and i need to confirm this as an indisputable fact.

https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/11/26/20983063/creedence-clearwater-revival-willy-and-the-poor-boys-50th-anniversary

Even by the standards of the 1960s, when big-ticket acts were expected to satiate their market with a seemingly endless torrent of recorded output and live appearances, 1969 was a prolific year for Creedence Clearwater Revival. First formed two years previous, but really the full-flowering of earlier bands the Blue Velvets and the Golliwogs, the Oakland-based quartet had suddenly gone from music biz strugglers to full-blown celebrities. After so long a wait, nothing was going to dissuade them from maximizing their moment. CCR released three brilliant albums in 1969, each with a tangible claim on genius. January’s Bayou Country yielded the classics “Born on the Bayou” and “Keep on Chooglin.” August’s Green River produced yet more canonical material: “Lodi,” “Bad Moon Rising,” and the title track. Even the Beatles at their vaulting creative heights never released three great records in a 12-month span. Creedence Clearwater Revival’s November release, Willy and the Poor Boys, managed that very trick.

does 'drift' count

The Nelson article is one of my favorite pieces of essay writing this year.

The only weird thing about it was that she picked "Born on the Bayou" and "Keep On Chooglin'" as the two classics from "Bayou Country." The former, sure, but the latter? I mean, the album is a classic, but surely "Proud Mary" deserves the other slot.

all three of those songs are all-timers

proud mary has gotta be in there, but 'born on the bayou' is undeniable and chooglin...i mean

I just returned from a trip to Disney World, during which I blasted "Chameleon" and "Sailor's Lament" on the car ride back.

still reading the Nelson piece, thanks for linking to it!

i realize this is a matter of taste, but i 100% agree with fogerty's take on this:

At a time when it had become common for popular acts to extend their shows to epic lengths—Led Zeppelin concerts of the era had begun to run to three hours—Fogerty decided that Creedence should go the other way. For the 45 minutes the band was onstage, the music was tense and thrilling. But after 45 minutes the band was done. With very few exceptions, no matter the audience desire, there were no encores.

It’s a small point but an important one. Why would this most populist of popular bands dare court the critique that they were stingy with their rabid audience? The decision even caused some rancor within the group. Some members of the band believed, reasonably enough, that encores were a way of thanking the fans. Fogerty regarded them as phony under any circumstances. Neither was wrong, but Fogerty’s intractable stance said something crucial about the way CCR was always both old and new. By limiting show lengths to single concentrated outbursts of intensity, Creedence both honored the shock-and-awe, blink-and-you-miss-it character of early rock and the don’t-care-at-all-if-you-miss-it brevity of punk. Indeed, in 1969 only CCR’s Detroit-based counterparts the Stooges were so directly anticipating a less-is-more future. Fogerty’s draconian set times were never intended to cheat the consumer, and in fact the opposite held true: any second you weren’t fully present was a moment wasted.

Wow, looking forward to reading the whole thing, thanks, everybody.

Can’t wait to read this; thanks for linking it, JiC.

Re: encores, Fogerty is otm. And the Moon-era Who hated them, too (Daltrey in 1975: “I think that it's of the utmost importance to leave an audience wanting more rather than exhausted and moaning, 'Thank Christ that's all over.' That's why we don't do no encores. They're a bloody con. You shouldn't do 'em, cos they're the biggest con ever and Led Zeppelin were one of the worst groups for starting that whole encore thing off.")

Big Thief are currently getting coverage for not playing encores: https://www.stereogum.com/2064276/big-thief-adrianne-lenker-encores/video/

weddoes too

i just want to confirm: no one has matched CCR's incredible achievement of releasing three remarkable albums in the same year, right? Bayou Country (1/5/69), Green River (8/3/69), and Willy and the Poor Boys (11/2/69).

Not only did Fairport Convention do it, they did it the same year: What We Did On Our Holidays (January), Unhalfbricking (July), and Liege & Leaf (December).

if it's a show, i can leave at any time - and i do, because i'm old, shows start late, even if the show's great i'm not going to stick around for the encore. mostly i'm impressed with their brevity in terms of albums - certain types of music should go on for a while, certain types of music are more powerful the shorter it is. hardcore is definitely an ep format. ten minutes is enough, because i can always play it again!

i just want to confirm: no one has matched CCR's incredible achievement of releasing three remarkable albums in the same year, right? Bayou Country (1/5/69), Green River (8/3/69), and Willy and the Poor Boys (11/2/69).

it's a good article - my only quibble would be describing the paranoid style as a "garage punk" band. don't front, you're in an indie band, and that's nothing to be ashamed of.