Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

on this film and Demy's Model Shop

https://letterboxd.com/keithuhlich/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/2/

Can mods replace all morbz posts in this theead with https://youtu.be/0xGXeWVOtgM

Are you saying u want to fuck Morbs

just trying to help u out w/ further viewing, yer welcome

Not sure if these have been posted or not--we've probably exhausted the subject anyway.

http://www.gq.com/story/mary-ramos-quentin-tarantino-interview

http://thefilmstage.com/news/listen-quentin-tarantino-and-paul-thomas-anderson-discuss-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/?fbclid=IwAR2Mm2ejWdgJpszgZTvd-Zld46gikU9nWqzk9_T0bQdOUhcYVi4xdH-UNwE

fbclid=IwAR2Mm2ejWdgJpszgZTvd-Zld46gikU9nWqzk9_T0bQdOUhcYVi4xdH-UNwE

omg that DGA convo looks awesome — thanks clemenza!!!

and mary ramos is a genius, i love hearing about how she works with QT, they have such a cool symbiotic relationship

I finally have enough free hours to go see this in a few days

This exchange from the DGA convo above made me imagine if DiCaprio had starred in Punch Drunk Love.

PTA: Leo is consistently–when he decides to be–the f*cking funniest actor in Hollywood. Right? When he flips that switch….

QT: But truly, what’s so funny about him is that he’s not playing it funny. He’s playing it so f*cking serious. And that’s what so ridiculous.

Good interview with the author of one of my favorite Manson books, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family here, which briefly touches on the film.

I guess what I most want to say about Bugliosi is that he was some kind of genius: I’ve been shocked, in this summer of the 50th anniversary, to see how many of the folks in my social media bubble—good Leftists, anti-mass incarceration, et cetera—are still fully in Bugliosi’s thrall. The book—and miniseries—were huge: if you go back and reread the book and remember how it freaked you out when you were 12 it will be a disappointment. It’s pretty flat and has been passed on the highway by much gorier and detailed works. But Bugliosi’s logic—especially the “Helter Skelter” theory or apocalyptic race war—keeps getting repeated as gospel. By, like Boots Riley! Why could Boots Riley repeat what is essentially cop-knowledge-on-steroids? I know you know that Mekons line about how turning journalists into heroes takes some doing. So I’ll just leave this question by saying the same thing about Bugliosi: he turned himself into the hero of the story. And he really was a petty square who made his bones with this case and then appointed himself Big Boss of Manson. But he was just tall—compared to Manson. That’s all.

otm

Helter Skelter gives a good overview of the bungled investigation & the insanity of the trial proceedings but his argument was total bunk

Someone else will want to gleefully post this, so let me beat him to it:

http://letterboxd.com/jrosenbaum2002/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/

What is Rosenbaum's history with Tarantino? Maybe I'm wrong, but sounds like the film never had a chance.

he's seen his crappy movies

Oh ziiiing

fuck can we send a crew to check tarantino after that ruthless hit

I liked it Morbs

incredibly I am not the only person on Earth who finds him morally and aesthetically reprehensible

really loved this. easy and breezy with an atmosphere of low hovering doom. california dreamin’

yesterday i sat next to a guy on the Tube who was watching:

1) a "cam" version of this i.e. recorded surreptitiously on a video camera at a movie theatre
2) on his phone
3) and he was impatiently fast-forwarding every few seconds. to get to the "good parts" i guess

prob just needed to get the gist of its politics so he could review it

lmao

lol

irl lol

Finally saw this, it was enjoyably breezy. Did NOT like the Bruce Lee scene at all (when I was a kid I idolized him, read a bunch of biographies, did martial arts for years, etc), especially when it came to people in the theater laughing at his Bruce Lee noises + getting emasculated by Pitt. And I'm in the camp that did not feel much (if any) catharsis at the end, the same trick that was so powerful in Inglorious Basterds didn't work for me here. Most of my emotional involvement had to do with the dog aka the best character, particularly when I thought Brad Pitt had been shot in the head at the end (what would that dog do without him?!).

Took my bathroom break during the Bruce Dern scene, did I miss anything?

hot foot action

Old man feet would have been a nice change from hippie girl feet

A+ cowboy wallpaper

re : the Bruce Lee scene, I dunno, I've grown loving his movies and admiring him but I found the sequence silly and funny.
It's OK and sound to mock people you admire/respect imo (+ QT made a 2 volume movie basically in homage to BL and the whole genre...).

i liked that bruce lee kept reappearing through the movie in brief training scenes, movie felt like it had more affection for him than reported

I just saw this. I wasn’t in a hurry but ended up loving it. I think the ending was more effective than Inglorious Bastards. I genuinely didn’t know what was going to happen.

For soundtrack fiends, here's almost two hours of music performances in megacut form from Playboy After Dark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWek-2LG7w

Bunch of things I hadn't seen before: Marvin Gaye doing "Chained"; Canned Heat not long before Al Wilson's death; an earlier Steppenwolf clip than the one I linked upthread; a very awkward intro to the Cowsills; and Jackie DeShannon being backed by a young Barry White.

The only full-audience laugh was when Leo asked how to make the flame thrower less hot, which actually was pretty funny

we had a much livelier audience, they were laughing at everything including the bloodshed O_o

I laughed at the bloodshed too, partly surprised bark at the audacity/extremity, mainly the fact that the whole scene is explicitly comic from start to finish

also the bit where Cliff turns on the light switch, which works especially well in a darkened theater

My showing was packed and laughs abounded.

On reflection I'm finding that I remember this movie as being very dumb, though I enjoyed it while watching, ho hum.

Really thought that violence explosion at the end to be the corniest, dorkiest, low level thing. Like so eager for Hell Yeah’s. Felt spectacularly dumb.

tyvm for that link, even though I have now listened to two Grateful Dead songs in my life

legend was that the Dead, who were known for such tricks, dosed all the coffee pots at the Playboy taping

the camera was dosed for sure

Barbi Benton playing with her tongue and forgetting how to introduce Sonny & Cher = same energy as Pete Waterman drenched in sweat and forgetting how to introduce Carl Cox

Lots more soundtrack talk in this huge chunk of outtakes from Kim Morgan's Sight & Sound interview, inc.

One of the best recycling of scores in this movie that I’m really proud of is, there’s this great theme and it’s only used in one scene in Lamont Johnson’s terrific western Cattle Annie and Little Britches, it’s got this great music bit when the Doolin-Dalton gang actually enter the town for the first time and I thought, I wanna use that bit in this movie. And so my music supervisor Mary Ramos, she’s magnificent, she just finds all this stuff but she couldn’t find anything for that… and all I had, I don’t think it’s ever been out on DVD, I just had not only an old video cassette of it, like a Good Times video cassette of it, which means it was done in the six hour mode… and so I took my audio from the cassette and there’s even talking during the some of the musical sequence and my musical editor had to cut it out and he did – he did a good job with it. And so, we kind of made it work for one sequence. But then Mary my music supervisor talked to the composer of it and he said, “Look I don’t have any masters or anything – of any of the things we recorded, but I wrote the piece. I know the piece. Would you like me to do an acoustic version on the guitar and I’ll send it to you?” (claps hands) “Fuck yeah!” So, he just did his own acoustic version with a guitar, put it on file, send it to us. That’s the music we use when Tex Watson rides up to confront Cliff.

I want the movie to be extremely realistic, but the “Once Upon a Time…” suggests that it’s taking place in a vaguely alternative universe. Not that I wanna make a big deal about that, but it is. And I think, when you think, “Once Upon a Time,” that is part of the implication. So, I didn’t want to do anything super big – but I wanted to have little tiny touches, of, “Oh, OK, if you’re hip enough, you got it.” And one of the things that I thought would be kind of cool is …one of my absolutely favorite imaginary bands is The Carrie Nations from Russ Meyer’s Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. And so, I thought it would be kind of cool at some point that they’re driving around and “Look on Up from the Bottom” plays, and the announcer says, “OK, that’s the Carrie Nations, those girls are just tearing it up!” And so, if you’re hip enough to catch it, you’re thinking, the Carrie Nations weren’t a real band, so ultimately this isn’t real…

Now imagining an alternate Beyond the Valley of the Dolls where Terry Melcher manages the Carrie Nations instead of Z-Man, and Charlie orders the remnants of the Family to kill the band when their attempt on Tate/Rick fails...

Extended Cut In Theatres This Weekend: https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/quentin-tarantino-adds-four-scenes-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-re-release-1202184268/

Sony recently confirmed that Brad Pitt would be campaigned for Best Supporting Actor, leaving DiCaprio to to run for Best Actor without facing competition from his co-star

other way around imo

Yeah definitely.

the Oscars deserve em

Ad Astra? too good

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