there's a small amount of music-of-the-period in marie antoinette (harpsichords and such)
― mark s, Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
related in the sense that it's the opposite and also very bad
Well, related in that it's a period film with period music, but in both instances presented with a Glam/Prog sensibility fashionable from the time it was made.
Something else too is the mountain music versions of "White Light/White Heat" & "Fire and Brimstone" in Lawless.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
I got one! In 'A Quiet Passion' Emily Dickinson sits upstairs and can hear a piano recital downstairs, and the song they are playing is 'I'm All Alone' from Spamalot.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 25 August 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link
Edith Bowman asks Tarantino about Cat People and Across 110th St in last week's Soundtracking podcast, and he says that during the year of press for Pulp Fiction, as a young idiot he would often opine that it was bad to use any song that had been used well in another film.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 25 August 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link
Making me...I won't ask. He was so much older then, he's dumber than that now.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
It seems like such an obvious, commonsense point to me: if a film or TV show has essentially taken ownership of a song by using it unforgettably--"Stuck in the Middle with You," "In Dreams," "Don't Stop Believin'," "Tomorrow Never Knows"--unless it's absolutely crucial to what you're doing (or unless you're engaging in a game of "I can top that"--better not miss), why wouldn't you simply pick another song? When "Out of Time" showed up in Hollywood, my thoughts went something like this: "Interesting...certainly fits...I wonder if he's seen Coming Home?...of course he's seen Coming Home, he's Quentin Tarantino...I like this, but it was better in Coming Home." I'm not sure that's what he wants me thinking.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
Having not seen Coming Home, which version of "Out of Time" did Ashby use--the 'Strings' version that QT also used, or the real Stones version from After-Math (UK)/Flowers/More Hot Rocks?
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link
chris farlowe baby
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:35 (four years ago) link
The real version? Here it is, you can check:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8GzIdqTlVQ
(The song starts around 2:45.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
he used a different version tbf (xpost!)
and he goes into detail on the thinking behind the two choices cited, no need to just speculate. (I don't think they mention it specifically, but I suspect she's leading towards Out Of Time when she asks about picking songs that connect with the scene - he responds that that's usually something he avoids doing, having lyrics match or comment on screen action.) You're also not bothered by fully half his films using unoriginal score from other films, because you don't notice it! A minuscule proportion of Once Upon viewers will have seen Coming Home.
if a film or TV show has essentially taken ownership of a song by using it unforgettably--"Stuck in the Middle with You," "In Dreams," "Don't Stop Believin',"
look if this was the rule, Patty Jenkins wouldn't have been allowed to use Don't Stop Believin' in Monster.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
XP That's the 'real' (i.e. actually performed by the band) one. The version QT used is Jagger's demo for Chris Farlowe, wherein he's backed by a bunch of session guys. This version was released on Metamorphosis, was a modest hit single in the mid-'70s, and ergo an anachronism in OUATIH.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
(xpost) You're right--I don't notice that, so of course it doesn't bother me. As for songs, I'm hardly saying it's a rule, or that you're not allowed to do it, just that it's generally a bad idea. You're defending this point to death...As I've said more than once, I liked the film, enough to see it twice. But I sometimes get the feeling that anything less than awestruck subservience to the genius of QT is unacceptable.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link
Stones version, 1966 UK album track, cut-down version released on US compilations in 1967 and 1972: used in Coming Home, 1978. (Probably this version used in the American remake of Life On Mars starring Keitel and Imperioli.)
Chris Farlowe, 1966 #1 hit single
Mash-up version by Allen Klein, featuring Jagger guide vox, as demoed for Farlowe, over the produced Farlowe backing - 1975 single: used in Once Upon Hollywood, 2019 such an obvious, commonsense point to me
It's totally a good rule of thumb, but (eg) Cat People wouldn't have anything like the same effect if it was a new song written about setting fire to Nazis in a cinema - it's the recontextualising that makes it startling.
(xposts again! I'm not trying to attack yr opinions, just knocking ideas around, thinking abt this stuff having seen Basterds three days ago.)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 26 August 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
unless it's absolutely crucial to what you're doing
everything is absolutely crucial to every director, at least in their own minds, particularly quentin tarantino, is pretty much how i break it down to an extent
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 August 2019 00:08 (four years ago) link
he says that during the year of press for Pulp Fiction, as a young idiot he would often opine that it was bad to use any song that had been used well in another film
I searched out that section of the podcast, and that's not exactly what he says.
"I'm coming up with all these theories (while promoting Pulp Fiction) about 'You can do this, but you can't do that. You can do this, but I can't do that. I would never do that, and anybody who does that is an idiot.'" He wasn't saying he was an idiot then, he was busy calling other people idiots. He then goes on to say that one of his impulses for using songs from other films is one of the things I proposed above, that he thinks he can take that song and use it better (or sometimes, just differently).
So that's fine, there is some thought at work. But to reiterate, I don't think he uses "Out of Time" better, and he most definitely doesn't use "Mrs. Robinson" better (which I haven't even bothered to mention yet, it was so weirdly clumsy).
― clemenza, Monday, 26 August 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
I was paraphrasing “I didn’t know what I was talking about, I’d only made two films, but I’d say (etc)” as ‘young idiot’
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 26 August 2019 00:19 (four years ago) link
on this film and Demy's Model Shop
https://letterboxd.com/keithuhlich/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/2/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 August 2019 02:53 (four years ago) link
Can mods replace all morbz posts in this theead with https://youtu.be/0xGXeWVOtgM
― Οὖτις, Monday, 26 August 2019 03:02 (four years ago) link
Are you saying u want to fuck Morbs
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Monday, 26 August 2019 03:04 (four years ago) link
just trying to help u out w/ further viewing, yer welcome
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 August 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
Not sure if these have been posted or not--we've probably exhausted the subject anyway.
http://www.gq.com/story/mary-ramos-quentin-tarantino-interview
http://thefilmstage.com/news/listen-quentin-tarantino-and-paul-thomas-anderson-discuss-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/?fbclid=IwAR2Mm2ejWdgJpszgZTvd-Zld46gikU9nWqzk9_T0bQdOUhcYVi4xdH-UNwE
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link
fbclid=IwAR2Mm2ejWdgJpszgZTvd-Zld46gikU9nWqzk9_T0bQdOUhcYVi4xdH-UNwE
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
omg that DGA convo looks awesome — thanks clemenza!!!and mary ramos is a genius, i love hearing about how she works with QT, they have such a cool symbiotic relationship
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 August 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link
I finally have enough free hours to go see this in a few days
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
This exchange from the DGA convo above made me imagine if DiCaprio had starred in Punch Drunk Love.
PTA: Leo is consistently–when he decides to be–the f*cking funniest actor in Hollywood. Right? When he flips that switch….
QT: But truly, what’s so funny about him is that he’s not playing it funny. He’s playing it so f*cking serious. And that’s what so ridiculous.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 29 August 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
Good interview with the author of one of my favorite Manson books, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family here, which briefly touches on the film.
I guess what I most want to say about Bugliosi is that he was some kind of genius: I’ve been shocked, in this summer of the 50th anniversary, to see how many of the folks in my social media bubble—good Leftists, anti-mass incarceration, et cetera—are still fully in Bugliosi’s thrall. The book—and miniseries—were huge: if you go back and reread the book and remember how it freaked you out when you were 12 it will be a disappointment. It’s pretty flat and has been passed on the highway by much gorier and detailed works. But Bugliosi’s logic—especially the “Helter Skelter” theory or apocalyptic race war—keeps getting repeated as gospel. By, like Boots Riley! Why could Boots Riley repeat what is essentially cop-knowledge-on-steroids? I know you know that Mekons line about how turning journalists into heroes takes some doing. So I’ll just leave this question by saying the same thing about Bugliosi: he turned himself into the hero of the story. And he really was a petty square who made his bones with this case and then appointed himself Big Boss of Manson. But he was just tall—compared to Manson. That’s all.
― blatherskite, Friday, 30 August 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link
otmHelter Skelter gives a good overview of the bungled investigation & the insanity of the trial proceedings but his argument was total bunk
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:16 (four years ago) link
Someone else will want to gleefully post this, so let me beat him to it:
http://letterboxd.com/jrosenbaum2002/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/
What is Rosenbaum's history with Tarantino? Maybe I'm wrong, but sounds like the film never had a chance.
― clemenza, Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
he's seen his crappy movies
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
Oh ziiiing
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
fuck can we send a crew to check tarantino after that ruthless hit
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
I liked it Morbs
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
incredibly I am not the only person on Earth who finds him morally and aesthetically reprehensible
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 September 2019 04:36 (four years ago) link
really loved this. easy and breezy with an atmosphere of low hovering doom. california dreamin’
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 01:03 (four years ago) link
yesterday i sat next to a guy on the Tube who was watching:1) a "cam" version of this i.e. recorded surreptitiously on a video camera at a movie theatre2) on his phone3) and he was impatiently fast-forwarding every few seconds. to get to the "good parts" i guess
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 06:51 (four years ago) link
prob just needed to get the gist of its politics so he could review it
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 07:15 (four years ago) link
lmao
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 07:39 (four years ago) link
lol
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 08:07 (four years ago) link
irl lol
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 09:16 (four years ago) link
Finally saw this, it was enjoyably breezy. Did NOT like the Bruce Lee scene at all (when I was a kid I idolized him, read a bunch of biographies, did martial arts for years, etc), especially when it came to people in the theater laughing at his Bruce Lee noises + getting emasculated by Pitt. And I'm in the camp that did not feel much (if any) catharsis at the end, the same trick that was so powerful in Inglorious Basterds didn't work for me here. Most of my emotional involvement had to do with the dog aka the best character, particularly when I thought Brad Pitt had been shot in the head at the end (what would that dog do without him?!).
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
Took my bathroom break during the Bruce Dern scene, did I miss anything?
hot foot action
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
Old man feet would have been a nice change from hippie girl feet
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
A+ cowboy wallpaper
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
re : the Bruce Lee scene, I dunno, I've grown loving his movies and admiring him but I found the sequence silly and funny.It's OK and sound to mock people you admire/respect imo (+ QT made a 2 volume movie basically in homage to BL and the whole genre...).
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:47 (four years ago) link
i liked that bruce lee kept reappearing through the movie in brief training scenes, movie felt like it had more affection for him than reported
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
I just saw this. I wasn’t in a hurry but ended up loving it. I think the ending was more effective than Inglorious Bastards. I genuinely didn’t know what was going to happen.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
For soundtrack fiends, here's almost two hours of music performances in megacut form from Playboy After Dark...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWek-2LG7w
Bunch of things I hadn't seen before: Marvin Gaye doing "Chained"; Canned Heat not long before Al Wilson's death; an earlier Steppenwolf clip than the one I linked upthread; a very awkward intro to the Cowsills; and Jackie DeShannon being backed by a young Barry White.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 September 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
The only full-audience laugh was when Leo asked how to make the flame thrower less hot, which actually was pretty funny
― fremmes with neppavenettes (rip van wanko), Saturday, 7 September 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
we had a much livelier audience, they were laughing at everything including the bloodshed O_o
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link