Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

but you'll never know, will you?

morbs, good news I spoke with the board we are willing to upgrade to to a large popcorn and as an incentive mike & ikes if you make it past 2 hours

"tarantootsies" is shorter than "grotesquely trivializing a mass murder"

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:20 PM bookmarkflaglink

He hasn't made a film about the Subway Series yet

Morbs has already posted itt more than anyone else, the servers might melt if he actually saw the film

holy shit when did i last have a blast like this

Also the dog:Cliff::Cliff:Rick, obviously.

― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 August 2019 16:56 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

rick::steve mcqueen::cliff::dog

xp I dunno, deems. Watching some action movie like MI5? A Marvel Universe superhero movie? Mad Max: Fury Road? Probably something like that.

the correct answer was, in fact, fury road, aimless

now do i detect a pointedness to that

just making sure enthusiasm was correctly tamped down then?

strange.

i think Tarantino's revisionism is somewhat angry in bemoaning what was lost, i think it's a fairly easy copout to say he's just treating it lightly.

Morbz doesn't accept that you should have to read something first before you are allowed to offer a misreading

just making sure enthusiasm was correctly tamped down then?

more a matter of your giving those with whom you share your enthusiasm a few landmarks from which they might get their bearings

Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie Manson man:

How did you end up playing Manson in two unrelated projects?

Bizarrely, it was a coincidence. Two productions happened to have a Charles Manson character in them, and I had an opportunity to audition for both. That’s pretty much it. If you’re going for a character like Charles Manson, you can only cast people of a certain height, so that narrows the pool because the guy was incredibly short. A lot shorter than me, but I’m only five-foot-seven, so I scraped into the pool. [Editor’s note: Though he was listed as five-foot-two, Manson himself claimed to be five foot six and three-quarter inches tall. But to be fair, he was also a notorious liar.]

Mindhunter actually came about six months before Once Upon a Time in Hollywood even though they ended up shooting within two weeks of each other. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood came about not through any connection at all to Mindhunter but because of two actors in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood: Nicholas Hammond is a friend because he lives in Australia, and Timothy Olyphant is a friend from the Justified days. Together they brought up my name when they’d heard that Manson hadn’t been cast yet and suggested me to Quentin.

Did you tell them at the Once Upon a Time audition you’d already gone out for Manson in Mindhunter?

I didn’t think that would be a great idea because at that point I already had Mindhunter. I thought that even going for the same character again was a completely fruitless exercise, but I also didn’t want to not do an audition for Quentin Tarantino. So I was like, Well, I’ll do the audition, and if in the highly unlikely event that I get the role, then I have to say, “Hey, I’m already doing this.” He’s almost certainly going to say, “Oh well, thanks but no thanks, we’ll get someone else.” But luckily for me, it didn’t bother him.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/08/charles-manson-damon-herriman-mindhunter-tarantino.html

aka the dude with the magical healing penis from Laid

he was so great as Dewey Crowe on Justified, classic recurring character

Oh shit, that's where I recognized him! He was really funny on "Justified."

With this film of all films the gap between us & uk releases felt insane given the amount of online chatter there was about it. I’m not even that much of a spoilerphobe but it felt like I had a month of skimming past dozens of stupid arguments about every individual scene of this film, so I was kind of sick of it way before I even had a chance to see it (these arguments being largely from ppl on twitter that I don’t even follow, thanks twitter)

If I didn’t have a free ticket I’d probably have waited another week or so before bothering to see it, but I saw it on tues and pretty much... ¿loved it? I had a similar experience to when I watched the latest jarmusch, where I was so into what the filmmakers were doing in the main that my enjoyment didn’t even really dip when there were things that I think were probably quite bad.

The “middle hour where nothing happens” as it’s known itt is where it’s at for me, I could have hung out there a bit longer even. Pitt was the worst thing about IB and (after Robbie) the best thing here, fantastic easygoing toxic dude energy (speaking of Justified!)

Tate in the cinema, Cliff at the ranch, Rick on set all amazing tbh

I obviously had some idea of what was coming at the end but I did NOT expect the nastiness and ultraviolence (lotta killin). I laughed my arse off at the whole sequence tho, Pitt’s finger gun, belittling the mansonites, the slapstick gore, the horribly maimed woman shrieking and running blindly (in contrast, I fucking hate this gag in Fargo)...

There was that awful webcomic going around that was like “the villains of this film are women who disrespect the Hollywood old guard”, referring to the Nazi space cadet dipshits who butchered a pregnant woman irl, & I feel like QT has benefited from this kind of pious gibberish going around because it obscures the valid reasons ppl may criticise scenes like this. The counter becomes as easy as ITS THE FUCKING MANSON FAMILY - that will get you so far because, in fairness, ITS THE FUCKING MANSON FAMILY, but I don’t think Tarantino is morally off the hook (per Fred, does he even want to be?). The “Natalie” ref was hard to miss (smh thread for taking so long to get there btw) and yeah it is a glib way to refer to that story and all the other stories it stands in for. Mileage is gonna vary on stuff like that, I thought it pretty obvious that the scene was there for a pointed reason but I won’t say anyone’s wrong for thinking the way it’s presented undercuts it. The retrovenge murder scene is puerile and bro-y - tex gets it right in the nards! - but for me that’s a hearty way to go about a tricky exorcism.

Oh also every Tarantino foot shot has been entirely knowing since at least “wiggle your big toe” in KB1 and possibly earlier, so simply noticing it each time is not an hilarious takedown

I had a similar experience to when I watched the latest jarmusch

The Dead Don't Die got a raw deal..I don't think any other wide-release movie this year has reflected the unsubtle absurdity and apocalyptic despair of our current moment as well that movie did.

hmm i mean it was great fun but it had no idea what to do with ten mins to go and really didnt pull it off

wins otm re this tho

"it had no idea what to do with ten mins to go and really didnt pull it off"

lol if that doesn't describe the current moment I don't know what does

i'm kinda bummed, the local alamo is now showing this in 70mm after having it in 35 for the first couple weeks when i caught it. i'm interested enough to want to watch it again someday but maybe not just yet. #filmnerdproblems

It’s filmed on 35 and about a 35mm world, blowing it up is just a gimmick

lol if that doesn't describe the current moment I don't know what does

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Interesting listen, from film editors' perspectives.

https://thisguyedits.libsyn.com/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-2019

Greil Marcus being so wildly popular on ILX, this should go over well:

5. Quentin Tarantino, Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood (Sony Pictures). Los Angeles, 1969 — when, according to this movie, there wasn’t a single good song on the radio. When well into more than halfway through the Rolling Stones’s 1966 “Out of Time” comes on — not playing via the agency of any character, just dropped over a scene — the relief is like a wave that started in Japan coming down on the beach at San Pedro. Then it’s back to the sludge.

I think he overstates that a bit, but, as I posted above, I think he's about 85% right.

"Hush" is a good song

It was certainly intentional not to have BIG SONGS for « cult » scenes a-la Pulp Fiction, except the Stones.
(Same thing with the dialogues maybe). So that it feels less like a juxtaposition of scenes and more of a whole.
And I actually felt like listening to a lot of that era’s music after watching it, which I hadn’t in a while.

it's almost as if qt is more interested in the overlooked detritus of pop culture than the critical favourites??? huh

I love "Out of Time," and it was certainly on the nose--played, I think, as everyone was arriving back from Europe the day before the murders--but I already associate that song with Coming Home. Interference like that always lessens a song's impact for me.

I don't think Marcus is lobbying for critical favourites--I don't think he wants Astral Weeks in there--just better detritus.

i liked it. helped with the scuzzy feel of the movie.

"Hush" is a good song

Billy Stewart's "Summertime" is one of the 90 greatest sound recordings ever made by humans

"Treat Her Right", "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" too... Marcus is just pissed nobody heard a song and had to pull over.

greil is just bummed he doesn't get to write a description of the guitar solo in "gimme shelter" for the 500th time

The Irishman is coming, so he'll just have to be patient.

(xpost) Actually, with one of my two favourite songs--Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Circle Game" cover--Sharon Tate does pull over to the side of the road. But just to pick up a hitchhiker.

I already associate that song with Coming Home. Interference like that always lessens a song's impact for me.

since he broke the dam with Across 110th St in Jackie Brown, nearly every piece of music in every Tarantino film was recorded for, written for, or used in another film.

(even Hateful 8, which features Morricone score, was mainly a new recording of unused score he wrote for The Thing)

XP Haha, had already forgotten that a song was still playing--instead of an ad or dj patter--at that moment.

One thing that has bugged me is that it seems like instead of the music being played on tapes or records at the Playboy Mansion, they would have had a live band like Deep Purple or the Strawberry Alarm Clock or Steppenwolf play. "Rock Me" would have sounded great.

I only like Greil when he's writing cryptic shit about the Band and I only understand every fourth sentence, love that shit but otherwise he's hard for me

Deep Purple *did* play Hush at the Playboy Mansion!

xp

...and Steppenwolf did..."Monster"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqJWNXuob-Q

Wasn't <actually. the mansion tho.

since he broke the dam with Across 110th St in Jackie Brown, nearly every piece of music in every Tarantino film was recorded for, written for, or used in another film

Interesting...I'd have to look into that. Used and used well are two different things, though--I mentioned Coming Home because "Out of Time" is played memorably over the opening credits.

I haven’t seen it, but sure - he used the actual theme songs from Across 110th St and Cat People as late-in-film tone-setters too.

Kill Bill is wall-to-wall sdtk music from other films with a few notable exceptions

My favourite songs post-Pulp Fiction are "Didn't I (Blow Your Mind This Time)" and "Tennessee Stud" in Jackie Brown, "Brother Love" and "The Circle Game" in the new one; nothing in the films between made much of an impression on me. Are any of those four associated with (or even used in) other films? I've never seem them if so. And there's certainly nothing in Reservoir Dogs--his greatest film soundtrack-wise--I've ever heard in another film.

since he broke the dam with

Once Upon is his first diegetic radio film since Pulp & Dogs

I understand you drew a line there...What I'd say then--and you can argue or rationalize this a million ways, but it all comes down to personal taste--is that there's a huge gap between how inspired the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack is and how comparatively ordinary Hollywood's is. Both, as you point out, are diegetic. Setting yourself that parameter does not rule out coming up with something as mind-bending as the way "Stuck in the Middle" or "Hooked on a Feeling" are used in Reservoir Dogs.

For me. If you think there's music in Hollywood that has the same kind of impact, that's great. I wish I felt the same way.