again its v difficult to map
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
youd have to imagine scotland a hunnert years after scoxit and think about what lab, snp, tories would all be at
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
Garrett Fitzgerald=paddy ashdown and other meaningless spitballs
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
Allimsaying is I read a Marian Keyes book recently where she’d renamed FG and FF for foreigners as, respectively, the Christian Progressives and the National Party of Ireland, which I felt was fairly accurate in terms of broad view politics.Imagine FG with Charlie Kennedy as leader. You can’t. Weirdly I feel like the PDs (gays good, crime and poors bad) would clean up in both UK & Ireland today.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
Don't forget they hated refugees!
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
(speaks a functional foreigner) wouldn't FG be in danger of getting their head turned on social liberal issues now they see the cover Leo gives them?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
Please write the editorial with the headline “To ye they’re all a bunch of Fenians, but to me they’re distinct. Why you should try to understand civil war politics in Ireland”
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
xp I mean Leo opposed abortion until the repeal campaign pressured him (and he a doctor!)
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
Michael McDowell (was that his name?) Was a fn nasty piece of work.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
David Attenborough blasts ‘silly squabbles about Brexit’ saying UK is ‘fed up’ with EU
#notmyprimeminister
― conrad, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
David Attenborough is a divisive figure!
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
splitting the atten
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
Oh David :(
Still we don't hear much from that nice Mr Bellamy nowadays
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
I’m fed up with his musings about population so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
ugh i don't think i'd noticed he was one of them
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
Richard was in Jurassic Park and The Great Escape, clearly the better one.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
did his bit for population reduction in both iirc
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Aeme94v5L._SX376_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
xp irl lol, and in Brighton Rock as well
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780091341411-uk.jpg
he gets a bit prickly when you challenge his "unorthodox" opinions on climate change.
― calzino, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
Daniel Hannan on Newsnight talking about Irish politicians being tempted to get one over on the 'old enemy'.
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
getting one over on the old enemy by not doing exactly what they want you to do to your own detriment based on them still partitioning your country a century later
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link
the bbc love a good tobacco enema on a crumpled tory corpse, but they are sowing the seeds of their own destruction a lately.
― calzino, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
Lol remember when they were trying to pass this guy off as some kind of intellect? Arse well and truly shown. We should be thankful CCHQ blocked his selection for a safe seat in 2017. A clown, a spoofer, a charlatan.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
Also remember the time he bragged about going for a walk somewhere in England and the photo he posted was a stock photo of somewhere in Wales?
When you go for a walk in the English countryside but tweet stock photos of Wales from 1998-what that Daniel Hannan? pic.twitter.com/5VaF6FAj4g— Party Paul 🌹 (@Real_Party_Paul) November 3, 2017
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
"pausing for an imaginary maggot addled pie (again). "
― calzino, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link
i mean
we have never called the tans the old enemy
i mean look i dont mind the disregard for detail i just think its disappointing, movie evil brits are always so much more cunning and stylish
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
BBC headline on press conference is bizarre, wrong and predictable, implying that Merkel is desperately searching for a way to help BJ.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
Maybe it was just the same hedge
xpost
― michael schenker group is no laughing matter (Matt #2), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link
wouldnt bet on it
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link
same clouds too
― michael schenker group is no laughing matter (Matt #2), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link
The flow chart guy is at it again
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 22 August 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
True enough.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Auld_Enemy
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 August 2019 06:37 (four years ago) link
Nothing to see here:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/22/xenophobic-bullying-souring-lives-of-east-european-pupils-in-uk
― pomenitul, Thursday, 22 August 2019 07:42 (four years ago) link
This is how these things repeat down the generations, some kids grow up to be inclusive and other kids grow up to be cunts and right now everything in our culture is telling them and their parents that it's basically OK to tell these kids and their families to fuck off.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:16 (four years ago) link
The racism in this place I've always seen as merely repressed - by the fact that the economy was growing, by that liberal attitude of 'tolerance' - it was always there, waiting to come up.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:31 (four years ago) link
there were violent flare ups between Eastern European immigrants and British Asians locally around the time of the referendum, and there are still tensions where the communities cross each other and some of it is criminal gang war related and some of it was definitely stoked up by the right wing media/right wing politicians telling people bigotry/xenophobia/racism is legitimate and justified, either explicitly or in weasel-worded dog whistle speak.
― calzino, Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:45 (four years ago) link
I probably won't win many friends on here for pointing out that despite getting murdered by a far-right fascist - Jo Cox was one of the many pols disseminating hateful legitimate concerns speak at the time herself - FP me to yr hearts content - but it is the fucking truth!
― calzino, Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:49 (four years ago) link
As have much of the Labour Party and most of the Lib Dems at one point or another. The failure to defend migrants from Eastern Europe has been consistent - from lamenting Blair/Brown's decision not to delay FOM from accession countries to the 'EU remain and reform agenda' looking to place unworkable restrictions on the right to come to the UK. I'm not sure any of the main parties have much to say to the largest group of new migrants in the country, other than 'freedom of movement was working quite nicely until it allowed you in'. How that changes over the next year or so, if there is a new referendum, will be crucial. It's a question the Labour left will need to answer but as much of an issue for the explicitly Remain faction.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:12 (four years ago) link
Revoking art 50 (my option) will have to come with a whole set of measures to tackle economic inequality but also yes a leadership that does not pander to racism and isn't afraid of calling it out, one that will not tolerate it (which could mean tight controls in media reporting). A lot else to be done but that would be a start.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:24 (four years ago) link
xxxp I remember reading that some British Asians voted Leave in the hope of stopping immigration from EE and also because they perceived the immigration system to be racist (which is correct). Also Priti Patel telling restaurant owners they could bring in more chefs (implied to be at the expense of migration from Europe) was a motivating factor.
― gyac, Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:34 (four years ago) link
which is why councils are now having to campaign for an exemption to the visa requirements to bring in chefs from the subcontinent because the existing wage requirement is too fucking high
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:36 (four years ago) link
here's a link that explains it slightly better than my half brain
https://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Article/2019/05/30/Government-advised-to-relax-chef-visa-rules
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link
good work Priti
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:44 (four years ago) link
Chefs were also de-listed as a category of ‘skilled migrants’ a while back.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:47 (four years ago) link
it's almost as if
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 August 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
Yes it was repressed but probably not among actual children to the same extent. Among adults yes obviously, the difference is the level of social acceptability, bigotry flares up more visibly when the wider political culture tells them it's OK.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 August 2019 10:19 (four years ago) link
Sorry that was to xyzzz.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 August 2019 10:20 (four years ago) link
Lots in this- but perhaps most crucial is where he says he won't vote to bring down the government so long as Johnson is committed to trying to secure a deal. Given PM will say he is til the last moment, Boles (and others like him) prob never will. https://t.co/PquwI3nrJy— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) August 22, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 22 August 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link