remainers*
in other news I have just heard “if there’s an NDB, it will all be ireland’s fault” in the wild
― самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
The short version of that is that Ireland won't be quite as fucked by No Deal as the UK thinks it will be.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 12:20 (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i mean over here anyone i see drumming for panic for anything except the border/GFA i start looking for their angle (y2k style)
we'll be fine
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
Ah now come on, there's definitely a caricature of the pro-EU, FBPE, EU-flag facepaint thrown around here a lot. and membership of the EU are not the same thing
The former are middling at wanting to score a goal but poor at scoring a goal
(middling because too much of it is identity politics and its counter-productive)
― anvil, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
No one believes anyone here is one of those caricatures, we don't need to go all Not All Remainers here.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
I'm sure Altidore wanted to score but who would want him in their team
― anvil, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link
Which apart from the politics projected on to them, doesn't seem to ever reflect the chance that they are non-UK Europeans trapped in this hellscape.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:37 (four years ago) link
Poor Andrew and Pom they are not getting a fair hearing on this thread. So unfair.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
Has it ever occurred to you... that you might be a bit of a bully?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
For comrade alphabet to be a bully, he would first have to be generally taken seriously.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
Is that a requirement for a bully? I see, interesting..
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link
I am against HS2.
As has often been said by many, money could be spent on better transport on many existing lines across Britain. Add buses to that if you like.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
HS2 will improve transport on existing lines, in that you won't have fast services and stopping services continually getting in each other's way, plus vastly improved capacity.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
I'm fine with anything that dumps a tonne of money into transport infrastructure, but that kind of investment makes much more sense without shareholders to pay
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
Sorry for obvious point
Hold your breath for my riveting observations about how low investment shrinks economies and other Keynes 101 favourites
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
Sat on a clunky pacer train with a leaking septic tank, sputtering along between Morley and Batley really feeds one's visionary neo-vorticist inclinations. Nah.... Fuck ya HS2!
― calzino, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
It's not like hs2 qualifies as a vanity project like a bridge nobody can use or a sixth airport for London.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
Also, the UK needs more and better trail links. I realise this needs a much more nuanced cost benefit analysis but has anybody every been on the M25
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
Where it passes through the Tory shires I'd advocate breaking the budget to route it as to piss off as many rich nimbys as possible.
― calzino, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
Add slurry spreaders as a sweetener for the farmers!
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/brexit/phil-hogan-launches-scathing-attack-on-boris-johnson-unelected-pm-gambling-with-the-peace-process-38422925.html
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
Irish politicians have been so polite for so long about England that these headlines feel weird. It was only a couple of years ago that dim aunties were feeling smug about how civilized everyone was about the queen coming.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
Unfortunately there's no attack on Johnson re: Ireland that'll have any impact on his base, quite the opposite
― what's wrong with being centre-y? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
Sure, but it really takes a lot to get the hackles of the Irish middle classes up about this nowadays, there has been a real effort to *put all that behind us,* so the recent radicalisation of fine gaelers has been some doing.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link
Like this is mobilising a real shift in sentiment.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link
xxp ikr? And under a blueshirt government too. It’s a long time since Leo talking about Love Actually in No 10.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
"However, in the event of a no deal Brexit, the UK government’s only Churchilian legacy will be –‘never have so few done so much damage to so many’."
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
British tories just... aren't aware that fine gael, and their supporters, even exist. All Irish governments might just as well be sinn fein to them.
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
ikr? And under a blueshirt government too. It’s a long time since Leo talking about Love Actually in No 10.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:49 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah, i mean idk if the lads know about how much fg love them but its important context historically
remember how giggly homer j bruton got about meeting the queen or am i jumbling memories together
xp its delicious context, on a local level. leo couldnt be much more
blairite, or does it map? soft tory? i dunno does it map.
anyway. FG <3 the brits. FF/SF would already have carried out black flag attacks imo
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
xp ikr, I’d enjoy the notion of the West Brits pandering to the SF vote but like...Can’t say I remember the Bruton thing deems, bit before my time! Garret Fitzgerald wrote this atrocity of a letter to Thatcher back in the day
He went on to make to points on a purely personal note. “It is not for me to comment on the domestic politics of Britain, but I think I am entitled to say that for Ireland’s sake I hope you are returned to power.“The other is that I very much hope our paths will cross again. The relationship which began when we stepped on board that motor launch in Cesme 12 years ago – and when you got soaked because of my Irish optimism about the behaviour of the Turkish sea! – has I believe been extraordinarily fruitful for both our countries, and our encounters have always been stimulating – whether calm, as they usually were, or heated, as they sometimes became. With all good wishes for the future.”
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
xp Leo’s auld fella was a Labour voter when he lived in the UK and was more upset about Leo being in young FG than being gay or wanting to skip transition year. Definitely Tory.
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
Fg are lib dems
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:07 (four years ago) link
Sindo readers who run boutique hotels that specialise in weddings
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
AU: 100 years after Brexit, where nearly everyone is Tories but the descendants of the ones that voted for the WA remain implacably opposed to the descendants those that voted against.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
"entrepreneurs" that moved home to head the European operations of the multinational they worked for in the States
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
FG but taller?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
*FF
Literally the only thing fg have going for them is not being FF
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
TS: the big fella vs the long fella
They are lib Dems because they all look like Paul and Nicola from fair city
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
its an important balancing mechanism
imagine there was a makeweight alternative to the tories that ppl could actually vote for like
before my time
u did not just
in re tory/libdem/blue labour blairites i dunno FG is a broad church imo
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
like what the fuck are FF if mapped
chancer lab, chancer tory? would they only thrive outside london?
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link
FF are provincial Tories
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
Heartlands-ey
It's all in Felix Holt the radical: Aul wans polishing ugly silverware pictureframes and narrowing their eyes. Prick farmers.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
I should write a guardian editorial.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
Can you be provincial and Hearlands-ey?
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
agreed, you should!
provincial tory hmmm
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
again its v difficult to map