Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

Oi u in pieces bruh

Simon, what percentage of the impetus for seeing Venom in the first place was the puckish, premeditated thrill of disseminating the notion that a widely-panned film was better than the entire MCU slate? 40%? 60?

Venom was decent

[Venom was a barely passable airplane movie. At least I could make out what Hardy was saying most of the time in it.]

^^^ Of the three leads, Riz Ahmed was the only watchable actor. Hardy's mumbled New York accent and constant "OMYGOD WHAT'S HAPPENING!?" made me yearn for Nic Cage's nuanced Johnny Blaze. Michelle Williams was low-key and seemed tranquilized. The FX were decent enough.

Problem was Upgrade was the same movie but 300 times better

sony pretty much made my favourite superhero movie ever with multiverse and one of my top 5 videogames ever with the ps4 spidey

Upgrade, featuring Other Tom Hardy, was great.

Oh I way preferred venom to upgrade

God I hate Disney bootlickers on Twitter

Simon, what percentage of the impetus for seeing Venom in the first place was the puckish, premeditated thrill of disseminating the notion that a widely-panned film was better than the entire MCU slate? 40%? 60?

uh, no percent. I heard it was batshit and endearingly dumb and it was. also, Riz-as-Musk getting owned was pretty cathartic

MCU has backed itself into a corner with the entire “important people solving important problems” shtick and has jettisoned a lot of what makes comic books fun.

The Venom movie had some slapstick moments and dumb humor bits that didn’t quite land but having a character that didn’t spend the whole movie deathly afraid of losing control, because he never had it, was a nice departure. The motorcycle chase was actual fun.

MCU has backed itself into a corner with the entire “important people solving important problems” shtick and has jettisoned a lot of what makes comic books fun.

I categorically disagree with this.

Among the things I find fun in comic books:

- banter
- heroes facing near-insurmountable odds
- villains who operate off of deception rather than strength
- reality-bending events
- normal people stepping up to impossible tasks

MCU has all of this in spades, IMO

God I hate Disney bootlickers on Twitter

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wait til they find out why Spiderman isn't public domain despite being nearly 60 yrs old

I appreciate all of those things as well, but I need a healthy dose of joy and wonder

Unfortunately, my writing skills leave a lot to be desired so my Ghost Rider script where a number of background characters are heard to exclaim, “holy shit, that guy’s head is on fire!” is yet to be produced

For joy and wonder, hoping the MCU folds in the FF soon and has a Kirby-esque exploration of the Negative Zone, Blastaar, Annihilus, etc. Would be a nice precursor for the next 22 films culminating in an Annihilation Wave.

rob with the key point there: most everything kirby and ub iwerks and co touched should absolutely be in the public hands by now. that it's not is one of the main reasons why we're in this weird nostalgia culture ouroboros in the first place.

^^^

also

Stan Lee's daughter sides with Sony over #SpiderMan dispute, says no one could have treated her father "worse than Marvel and Disney's executives:"https://t.co/YlQbWOv8HA pic.twitter.com/GlBdyazD7I

— Comicbook.com (@ComicBook) August 22, 2019

real high-quality witness there

Eh, stories about her own relationship with her father haven't exactly been glowing.

ha, xpost

is she the one that was accused of elder abuse?

They only had one daughter. (There were many accusations of elder abuse against a variety of parties, though.)

(One living daughter, I should clarify - another died three days after birth, so was not accused of committing elder abuse at the age of 69.)

nice

This was terrible -- depressingly terrible, i.e. hundreds of millions spent on third-rate video game effects.

And Jake wasn't nude.

Why don't you use some of those graphics to make a Jake nood video

Deepfake!

The awkward high school comedy was the best, and a couple of Jake's scenes with Hollnad (i.e. the bar scene in Italy) had real charm, but, oy, that last third.

I do not like Shouty Jake -- the Jake of Nightcrawler, although I can see the connection between the two characters: on-the-spectrum tech bro who can't handle being thwarted.

The high school comedy was much better in the first film, though. I do like that there is a real focus on high school comedy in this series, but no, this was not a good film.

Far From Home doesn’t get enough credit for the soundtrack imo.

The Official Trailer for the third of these, with everyone that we'd heard about and a few more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzbalQ6Lg8

They are sending Tom Holland out to fight armed with the same joke as three and a half years ago, though ("oh, we're using our made-up names?")

I truly love the sleuthing of Brazilian twitter that has convinced people characters were digitally removed from this (or a version of) the trailer to keep some surprises. And I believe it, too!

Hah. Probably true though - they do things like that all the time! Most obvious I can remember was that thing with the eye in Thor: Ragnarok's trailer, and more recently a costume change in Black Widow's trailer to not spoil a last act surprise.

pretty much everything about this movie smacks of desperation???

looks like utter trash too

This movie (or at least the trailer) does seem desperate or messy, but the last two Spider-Man movies were good fun (three, if you include the cartoon), he's been a high point of the other Marvel movies, and Marvel has yet to make a movie that felt desperate or looked like utter trash, so benefit of the doubt, I guess.

also feels like a big Tom Holland and/or Spidey send-off from the MCU, which i guess it is time for

Marvel has yet to make a movie that looked like utter trash

citation needed

for as like increditerrible as the garfield movies could be they are far less anonymous than mcu spidey. far from home was dreadful, homecoming pretty much only elevated on michael keaton’s shoulders

this looks like the actual shitty version of the raimi spider-man 3. dr. strange saying “scooby-do it!” what the ever living fuck is that

lol brad i'm glad someone else had my same reaction to this trailer.

also seems reeeeeeeally similar to the premise of Into the Spider-Verse, which was pretty much a masterpiece imho. gorgeous film, incredible sense of heart, breathtaking action. they couldn't have waited a little while to reuse the premise of a multiverse of Spidey characters?

my understanding from my students' comments is that Maguire and Garfield are also in this, which is somehow both more and less desperate than bringing in the villains from the Raimi and Webb films as literal ghosts. what a weird idea. can't Spidey just save downtown Flushing from the Rhino or something? why is he so bound up with Doctor Strange, if it's not a New Defenders movie? i hate the idea that he always has to be paired with the current Senior Schmuck of the Marvel films.

seems really stupid to do the "Spider-Man unmasked" twist at the end of the last film, then have it be reversed in seemingly the first act of this one --- by Peter Parker screwing up a magic spell, apparently?! this was the same basic error made in the comics about ten years ago, when Spider-Man unmasked himself; a bunch of horrible things happened as a consequence, and he pretty swiftly struck a deal with Mephisto to change it all back, at the price of undoing his marriage (which editorial had decided made him seem too old and stuffy, apparently). this was not exactly a widely-celebrated series of developments, so it's funny that they would use it as the basis for a big giant cinematic story.

I’m excited and worried and of course I’ll see it.

Quibble with all these MCU SpiderMan movies: they’re all so … busy, somehow, almost schizophrenic. And, yes, I’ve read Spider-Man comics! I’ve seen the SR movies. But I wind up thinking, always, “I like these conceptions of the characters a lot but wish I enjoyed the movies more. Maybe it’s because they aren’t allowed to just be Spider-Man movies; they also have to be part of the ever expanding MCU puzzle.

Or: Doctor Casino OTM

Spider-Man is Rabobi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_TJVOmdsLE

That was kind of what I liked about the second one is that it felt like it de-emphasized the larger MCU to a large extent. Obviously there was the Nick Fury and Maria Hill stuff, but really once they got the funny look at "the blip" out of the way, it was a relatively self-contained adventure until the unmasking stuff.

I did like spotting the "Blip Anxiety?" posters in the background of the SF scenes in Shang-Chi.

A thing to keep in mind is that, pre-release, a lot of people speculated a lot of things about Far From Home's plot (a movie I wasn't crazy about, fwiw) that wound up not being the case.

This does absolutely look very similar to the overstuffed Raimi Spider-Man 3, and echoes the premise of "Into the Spider-Verse," so I hope it's more than that and I guess kinda assume it is? Or maybe it sucks!

And I don't think most of the Marvel movies look particularly *good*, not at all. I just don't think they look like trash. There are movies that look like trash, like bright sitcom lighting in every scene. But the Marvel movies just look flat and 90% artificial, because they are.

Spiderverse is the best comic book movie, imo.

this movie was bad and all the ostensibly smart and capable heroes made many many very stupid decisions! and jamie foxx just seemed so bored and sad