PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

why delete the best ever tweet with the FBPE hashtag ffs!

Some recruit the milkmaster to thread for some much needed dissenting opinions

I troll the trolls. https://t.co/3y8cE8iurv

— Mike Gapes (@MikeGapes) August 19, 2019

Does anyone at all who isn't an MP, a wonk or a fanatic actually give a shit about the backstop or consider it a hill to die on?

its weird how nobody ever tried to sell the backstop as actually a somewhat impressive strategy for squaring a circle. There are positive things to say about it (from the point of view of a feat of negotiation) and it seems May never tried to construe it as a success even though it was her achievement. she seemingly thought that marketing it as a failure and an acquiescence would work?

she was caught between ERG and DUP on this so apologetically old what was as you say a significant negotiating victory as an awkward fudge.

i mean i feel a large amount of personal animosity toward theresa may and am quite glad of anything that contributes to the shitting up of her legacy. what an asshole.

she is the central mechanism between cameron’s brexit result and where we are now, no doubt. dragged it all rightwards to the ERG and to no deal die hards.

as well as being vile for other home office reasons.

While it's of course hugely *disappointing* that a grown man who runs a parody account in the guise of a landmark peace agreement should be caught sliding into women's DMs to talk about his dick, it is also in no way *surprising*.

— Aon Foucault Eile. (@EXECUTIVESTEVE) August 20, 2019

lolled sadly at the reply to this gently correcting someone: "there are several GFA parody accounts"

#notallshitposting

Ah no, this isn't the one who pretends to be the border, this is the one that pretends to be the actual Good Friday Agreement.

— Aon Foucault Eile. (@EXECUTIVESTEVE) August 20, 2019

explain pls

The border account is bad and stupid and objectively less funny than the extremely stupid Anglo Irish treaty parody I wrote in my history notebook in secondary school, thank you for reading

Perhaps relevant to some of my friends on here

Can’t abide Jeremy Corbyn? Learn from the moral of Ed Milibandhttps://t.co/YstXqavq4F

— Aditya Chakrabortty (@chakrabortty) August 20, 2019

The same tabloids that today are rightly attentive to Labour’s issues with antisemitism spent years splashing on photos of a Jewish man struggling to swallow a bacon sandwich – the subtext of which was never hard to read. The Mail famously conducted hatchet jobs on his dead dad, who’d fled the Holocaust. Even the posh papers would tut over this “north London intellectual”, this rootless cosmopolitan, before just a couple of years later clutching their pearls over May’s line about “citizens of nowhere”

Also, Jeremy Corbyn called out the antisemitism committed against Ed and Ralph Miliband, in print and on TV.

aditya’s the fuckin best

does everyone at the guardian work from home or does he have to like share an open plan office with simon jenkins?

I feel there are worse people to sit with at the Guardian. Don’t think I could breathe the same air as Hadley Freeman or Marina Hyde.

jenkins is 76 so i doubt he comes by the office every day

also he used to be married to gayle hunnicutt :0

This isn’t as upsetting as finding out we inexplicably have a book of his in the house

hmmm

columnists come in like once a month to check their mail i thought

@suzy ;)

fuck baroness hyde

like a lot of young posh ppl people back in the Blair era, was quite happy to attack Labour right from the left, but finally horrified at the prospect of a centre-left Labour ever getting into government. typical fucking landed gentry trash.

I like ilxor UK politics threads as a place to park information about news, to have a discussion that’s unlikely to be interrupted by cranks of the Chris Williamson ilk, derailed or derided by Centrist ‘90s Music Press Guys (and where we can complain about them), or people with other flavours of Corbyn Derangement Syndrome.

This is a rare corner of the interwebs where people are mostly intelligent and accommodating of others. It’s also a good spot to commiserate with others touched by austerity/Tory cruelty and having an outlet to clown
on the latest Jess Phillips/Stephen Kinnock/Change UK bullshit also a bonus.

The word ‘mostly’ was chosen for a reason!

The honourable member for nominative determinism strikes again:

This guy James Cleverly is a dishonest and a Liar of a person. He is not to be trusted. He hit my car on M11 while speeding and using his phone. At the scene he admitted it was his fault. He damaged my new car. When i contacted him he said he is not accepting liability.Shame on u pic.twitter.com/R2dOcFRh6H

— Asim (@Asim08535742) August 20, 2019

lmao get his ass asim

Johnson's proposed solution to the backstop issue is apparently for...Ireland to stop following EU rules and start following the UK's - while still remaining in the Common Market.

I feel like there may be some holes here.

Well now

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (+17)
LAB: 28% (-6)
LDEM: 15% (-)
BREX: 5% (-5)
GRN: 3% (-)
TIG/CHUK: 1% (-)
UKIP: 0% (-4)

via @KantarTNS, 15 - 19 Aug
Chgs. w/ 13 May

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) August 21, 2019

Grim.

I am not clicking on Rafael Behr's piece and I hardly read the cunt, but I hate the headline in its tired reference to wars fought over 100 years ago and how 'calamity' is inevitable.

xxp
they are not recognised by the British Polling Council and way out with that group of pollsters for what that is worth, which might be fuck all!

fwiw the current aggregated poll of polls has the tories on a 5 pt lead.

fwiw

Firstly, Kantar don't include the Brexit party in their main prompt (nor the Green party) - people have to click through to a second screen to see them. That presumably depresses Brexit party support

— Anthony Wells (@anthonyjwells) August 21, 2019

This is the same as YouGov found when we looked at the same issue (though we deal with it differently) https://t.co/5x1hvVG69E

— Anthony Wells (@anthonyjwells) August 21, 2019

Without that change, Kantar would have been showing Con 40%, Lab 32%.

— Anthony Wells (@anthonyjwells) August 21, 2019

whoops. first tweet in that last post should have been

Secondly (and more interestingly), Kantar have changed their past vote weights to account for false recall. They have found that people who voted Labour in 2017 are less likely to now report voting Labour, so have adjusted their targets to account for this.

— Anthony Wells (@anthonyjwells) August 21, 2019

never rated the lads down at kantar media

oops just noticed they are a BPC recognised pollster as well.

kantar tns sounds like a Welsh football club.

the real conspicuous bit of dodgy polling from the Kantar one is that they have Tig/ChUK on 1% tbh

Johnson's proposed solution to the backstop issue is apparently for...Ireland to stop following EU rules and start following the UK's - while still remaining in the Common Market.

I feel like there may be some holes here.

― ShariVari, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 09:31 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

it succeeds on one overarching point- "it will be the irish choosing to make this hard on themselves"

What's behind the HS2 review announcement? Farage want's it scrapped so I feel it must probably be good, otoh it's a fuck of a lot of money to spend to get to Crewe a bit quicker, otoh I was looking forward to Curzon Station rising from the dead, otoh what about all the trees they're cutting down (have already cut down, I believe in some cases...)?

Shoring up Tory seats in the chilterns.

I think the economic benefits of fast as fuck trains will be minimal, but at least you'll be able to fly past all these barren dead places with murderous hordes of barbarians hunting for human flesh.

I think for lots of Tories it’s a byword for government infrastructure spending?

It's spending that spoils their view

Btw this is everything:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/21/eu-to-blame-football-new-handball-rule-ian-holloway

The benefit is not necessarily in the speed but in the capacity, the north south rail lines are pretty much full. Once your building a new line you might as well build a fast one even though the the distances to Manchester and Birmingham aren’t far enough to get more than marginal benefit out of high speed.

The problem the Tories have is that it runs through their heartland and offer no benefit to the people living there.

Holloway sucks even more shit than Warnock and Souness combined, there won't be a big enough pit for all the enemies of the people from the football world.