I'd completely forgotten about that Penzance performance
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
We watched Penzance with our kid recently and he both really enjoyed the music and humor and also afterwards was asking us what the hell was going on in that story.
― omar little, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link
xpost to Katherine, Me (as quoted by you) seemingly dissing Ronstadt as a singer was actually me dissing Taylor Swift, I just got my threads mixed up.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
the 'controversy' around p4k not reviewing 1989 has always kinda cracked me up. mainly cause i was asked to do it & said no cause i didn't want the internet to yell at me all week. had i only known the ~cultural implications~...— Fire Marshal Meaghan (@meaghan_garvey) August 19, 2019
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
I don’t understand any part of that tweet(!)
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link
Pitchfork didn't review a Taylor Swift album until Reputation, but they did review Ryan Adams' cover album of 1989, which some people see as kind of fucked. Yesterday was penance for that I guess.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link
The Ryan Adams example is kind of a funny one, because we should have reviewed “1989.” It’s kind of a long story. I really wanted to review that. But a writer fell through, and then it was going to be late. It was this series of errors, why that didn’t end up happening. And we hadn’t reviewed Taylor Swift previously. Whatever her next record is, we’re definitely going to review it. And then I’m sure people will write about it and say, “They’re reviewing Taylor Swift now.”
from an interview with mark richardson from a few years ago
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 15:07 (four years ago) link
Thx, didn’t know any of that backstory.
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
god dammit Brad, what's up with making me interested in listening to a Taylor Swift album, what the hell
― omar little, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
she's not at the level of a professional lyric coloratura (and while it's transposed down), it is still very good for someone who was not trained as an opera singer
uh, she actually did have professional training at points in time.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
don't worry omar, it will pass within 30 seconds of hearing a note of it
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
but she is a great singer -- G&S is a bit closer to musical theater than "opera" when it comes to performance aesthetics (ime) -- so it's kinda a weird statement to make in the context of a G&S play.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
― omar little, Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:40 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's what i was born to do
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
"What's New" was one of three tapes my parents had in the car when I was a kid and we would go on road trips, so I am very fond of it.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
these days i'm kind of a fan of Taylor Swift the person, having come around on her a bit due to her catching a lot of undue flak and also her being hassled by deeply terrible celebrities. i haven't really liked the hits but then again lots of cuts fall into context for me when i listen to an album.
― omar little, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
Phew I'm relieved that we got the late review of 1989 that we did instead of whatever Meghan Garvey refused to write.
And yeah Brad your write-up on "Red" is terrific, it's my favourite of her albums-- not the Max Martin-produced 1989-anticipating singles, not the weird misfires by guest producers, but the core eight Nathan Chapman-produced tracks on it that perfectly hybridize modern country music with "The Joshua Tree". "State Of Grace" is one of the best opening tracks I've ever heard.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
i didn't know she turned in 20 chapman produced songs for red and now i need to fast forward 20 years to the box set
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
Ya I didn't know that either and same
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
not the weird misfires by guest producers
Which traxx do you consider to fall in this category? Just curious
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
― sarahell, Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:03 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
didn't know that! does check out though
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
Ed Sheeran, Gary Lightbody. I was a fan of the Max Martin stuff too, when it came out, because I thought it was a detour, not a pivot. I am not fond of 1989 onward.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
same tbh
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:56 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
it was news to me too! and this is the second time i've done research on this record lol
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
I also... idk, I don't love the stuff I've heard from 1989-onward, and there is a part of me that feels like I've been bullied by her (as a listener) and I can't describe why, and I feel like I'm in mourning for a songwriter that I once loved and is now gone, I don't even really like the "good" tracks like "Blank Space", but yet, still, I don't think that this new direction deserves some of the vitriol I've observed in this corner or that... there's a craftsmanship to what she's doing now that I appreciate, even if I have no interest in listening to it.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:28 AM (fifty-four minutes ago)
my voice teacher had worked with her at one point. that's the only reason i know lol
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
Are you having opera training? Cool!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/bon-iver-justin-vernon-talks-about-his-critical-eminem-tweets/
TAGS IN THIS STORYInterviews, Video, Beef
― what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
BTW Meaghan Garvey did end up writing about 1989 for Pitchfork - in the end of year list that year: https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9558-the-50-best-albums-of-2014/?page=2
― monotony, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 23:54 (four years ago) link
i'm not really a fan of the Martin tracks on Red (they feel awkwardly between worlds, the choruses are underwritten & they feel out of place on the album) but the tracks she did with Dan Wilson and Jeff Bhasker are some of her very best, "Treacherous" is probably my all-time favourite TS track and "Holy Ground" is wonderful too
― ufo, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 00:25 (four years ago) link
Yeah both those songs are great. The bridge on “Treacherous” is tremendous; and “Holy Ground” may be my favorite cut on the LP.
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 01:20 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah Holy Ground is so great
And that Garvey write-up of 1989 is totally good, too!
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 02:12 (four years ago) link
Brad is right to single out “Treacherous” as (and i’m paraphrasing here) maybe the pinnacle of her songwriting craft while simultaneously singling out “All Too Well” as the pinnacle of her songbook.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
and the pinnacle of “All Too Well” is the 3rd chorus, when she sings — It was rare, I was there...(subscribe to my blog, Plaid Shirt Days, for more insights on “All Too Well”)
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 04:41 (four years ago) link
ugh ugh ugh @ the first paragraph of this
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/elvis-presley-live-1969/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 26 August 2019 02:18 (four years ago) link
Lana Del ReyNorman Fucking Rockwell!
POLYDOR / INTERSCOPE • 2019
9.4BEST NEW MUSIC
― ilxor, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 05:50 (four years ago) link
I don't know if I've ever heard more than a song or two by her, but in the first two paragraphs of that review she's compared to Springsteen, Lou Reed, the Beach Boys, Elvis, and Dylan and Hemingway, Whitman, and Fitzgerald. Later, Portishead, Carole King and Joni Mitchell. And Elton John. And it's also produced by Jack Antonoff. So ... sure, BNM.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
I almost broke my brain wondering which one would rang most true to me. Springsteen, maybe circa Darkness on the Edge of Town.
― Ludo, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link
legit great album
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
that linda ronstadt retrospective really primed the pump for today's LDR rave
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
Heart Like a Fucking Wheel
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIEY7S5RTWOJ093a6VWHvwEaqI1X-RvpQG3vS8U94Re5P6eo-eMQ
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
Normal Fucking Rockcrit
― One more cup of yogurt for the road (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link
I was kinda glad to see P4K reviewing those Swift albums? And they were pretty great reads, all of them. Though I remember the pre-1989 days when you'd go into PK4, search for Taylor Swift, and no results came out. Kind of a crown achievement.
― cpl593H, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
P4K sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― cpl593H, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
Tropical Fuck Storm are the latest sufferers of the "your lyrics aren't good enough essays" school of music criticism
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 05:43 (four years ago) link
Oh? I thought it was a good review, myself. I had a joke about how I wished all bad lyricists were consumed in a tropical fuck storm but I guess it’s a nice image rather than a funny joke
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 5 September 2019 06:02 (four years ago) link
i think the criticism of the lyrics of "the happiest guy around" and "the planet of straw men" is fair if a bit harsh, but the real issue i have is it only spends a paragraph actually discussing the music - ideally a review should engage substantially with both words and music rather than one or the other.
― ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 06:19 (four years ago) link
yeah we've kind of been over this already but "punk quartet" and a Beefheart reference fall significantly short of even basically describing their sound, and not even mentioning the male/female vocal interplay is a crime
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 06:21 (four years ago) link
Between granting nearly full marks to Lana Del Rey, underselling the HTRK album, refusing to engage with Tropical Fuck Storm the band rather than just Gareth Liddiard the poet and panning the new Tool simply because lol Tool, I suppose the Fork is just e-zining as it has always done.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 5 September 2019 07:56 (four years ago) link
The Tool review contains my favorite jerk move of theirs, where they pan a band they've always hated while praising albums they previously slated even harder
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:01 (four years ago) link