the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

also she's at the in-n-out by universal studios so make another layer

I find the anecdote about her blowing up the tank very distressing

If you're not aware of it already his father had quite some life (and death) story.

... her father

https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1164268214798340096?s=21

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Deleted my tweet about this sounding like Steven Pinker bc a journalist that as far as I can tell seems plausibly positioned to know says it’s not. But if it is still a Harvard professor.... ugh pic.twitter.com/nOyOnpCjDv

— 🍒 13 Leading Scholars 🍒 (@christapeterso) August 21, 2019

We haven't even covered the fact that the Ghislaine In-n-Out photo appears to have been a fake

I have found him, the dumbest journalist
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

We haven't even covered the fact that the Ghislaine In-n-Out photo appears to have been a fake

― Simon H., Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:02 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.thedailybeast.com/photo-of-jeffrey-epstein-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-at-in-n-out-burger-was-staged-paper-claims

Definitely weird. Her lawyer apparently took the picture and shopped in a few details to make it look like she was there at a certain time. I guess she's trying to stay ahead of everybody by obfuscating and muddying the waters about her whereabouts.

bottom of the Gulf of Mexico maybe

We found Jeffrey Epstein's Spotify account, where his tastes ranged from Louis C.K. to songs like 'Before You Accuse Me' and 'Hot for Teacher.' https://t.co/PyV3RPq5KV

— Business Insider (@businessinsider) August 22, 2019

...the banality of evil

huh who would have thought that the extremely dude heavy techno intelligentsia was in cahoots with epstein too

https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-intellectual-enabler

the mit media lab’s entanglements with him being revealed feels like the very tip of a gross iceberg

On that subject, a new interview w. a formerly close associate

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-my-very-very-sick-pal/

Pivar was also present for a number of Epstein’s science summits. Epstein himself was no scientist, said Pivar, the author of Lifecode: The Theory of Biological Self-Organization and an advocate of non-Darwinian models of evolution. (This was borne out in a recent New York Times story that described Epstein’s interest in cryonics and eugenics and his wish to “seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women” at his New Mexico ranch.) Epstein was a dilettante, and easily distracted. But he pulled so many prominent thinkers into his social circle, using the promise of his money to create “some kind of a mini university of thought,” that in Pivar’s view he did “amazing, incredible, amazing, remarkable things for science.” There were lavish dinner parties with the likes of Steven Pinker and Stephen Jay Gould during which Epstein would ask provocatively elementary questions like “What is gravity?” If the conversation drifted beyond his interests, Epstein was known to interrupt, “What does that got to do with pussy?!”

Pivar was close enough to Epstein that the financier put him “in charge of Ghislaine while she was profoundly depressed from the death of her father,” the media mogul Robert Maxwell. Despite their friendship, Pivar said, he was “insulated” from the lurid aspects of Epstein’s personal life. “I don’t know anything about that,” he said, “because I was never invited to the Isle of Babes,” Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.

In his telling, Pivar ended his friendship with Epstein after learning from Farmer of her sexual assault. Some evidence of the tension between Pivar and Epstein is lying in public view. In August 2007, Pivar sued a science blogger named P.Z. Myers and Seed Media Group, which hosted his blog, alleging defamation. Myers had lit into Pivar’s work, calling him “a classic crackpot.” In his complaint, Pivar made a point of mentioning by name two prominent members of SMG’s board: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The lawsuit was later dropped.

this interview is *incredibly* gross and long so I'll wait for other people to pick out highlights. I did notice the Unabomber makes an appearance.

highlights couldn't capture its commodius vicus of recirculation, back to nymphomania or to the impossibility of describing gravity. relatedly, the book he sued p.z. myers for reviewing is about how all organisms are actually topological deformations of the same primordial toroid. a man with a circular mind. also lol:

I have to add another compliment for the book, though. In addition to the lovely artwork, it's an extremely high quality print; well bound, on heavy stock, and looking to last a thousand years. It seems no expense was spared getting it published, which is in contrast to the content, and is unusual for such flagrant crackpottery.

Epstein was a dilettante, and easily distracted.

doctor, heal thyself

"jaron lanier and all that group, the greatest thinkers that they were"

“some kind of a mini university of thought,”

hoooo boy

Between those years, in 1999, Larry Celona rides with Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and others on the Lolita Express from Teterboro, NJ to Palm Beach for a short weekend. They return with two extra women.

Teterboro is now being reported as the hub of Epstein's sex traffic network. pic.twitter.com/6qenteH0pV

— ᏔმƦ𝔢ჳ💤 (@mooncult) August 23, 2019

Fast-forward to 2019, Larry Celona is still working at the NY Post and still breaking exclusives:

He was the first to report Epstein's first "suicide attempt"

He was the first to report of Epstein's successful "suicide"

He was the first to release photos of Epstein's dead body pic.twitter.com/GWEt7aqwV5

— ᏔმƦ𝔢ჳ💤 (@mooncult) August 23, 2019

never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind
i always get it up, for the touch of the younger kind
my, my, my, aye-aye, whoa!
m-m-m-my celona

srsly tho that’s extremely fuckin weird , especially the eyes wide shut connection

It's exactly the kind of thing that turns me into a gibbering mess when I think about this stuff too much tbh

tfw u realise the elite pedo ring killed the man who faked the moon landings

They also suggest a preference for hard-rock songs from the 1970s that emphasized male sexual conquest, as well as the odd song about sexual attraction between children and adults — Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and an Oscar Peterson performance of "My Heart Belongs to Daddy."

That Peterson/Gillespie version slaps tbh

Very good

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/23/prince-andrew-appalled-epstein-royal-wedding

Further down the thread someone does point out that Celona on the jet is nearly certainly a false positive - Glen Dubin, listed on the same flights, has a daughter named Celina, and the rest of the line up is also family, their nanny, and his wife Eva, an ex of Epstein's.

I don't normally like Marina Hyde but that one is great.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECvTbE4XkAAhqlq?format=jpg

lol quite apart from being bad content-wise idea this is so badly written -- these ppl's brains are just deliquescing like the "facts in the case of m.valdemar"

the superscript on the date ordinal alone merits the guillotine

"I can only reiterate my regret that I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person"

what?

His Mother's English.

i mean since this is the conspiracy-mongering thread gotta wonder if/why his ma allowed him to slip this nonsense past the press-officer sub-editor flunkey

my theory: she's already concluded this particular failson is surplus to the firm's requirements (slow-burn revenge for it's a royal knockout)

I'm still trying to work out if that quote actually means the opposite of what he wants to say.

how i break it down (to some extent):

I can only reiterate = to be clear
my regret that I was mistaken = i was wrong (sadly)
to think (that what) I thought = to assume
(that what) I knew of him was evidently not the real person = he wasn’t who i thought

to be clear, i was wrong (sadly) to assume he wasn’t who i thought
= to be clear, i was right (sadly) to assume he was who i thought

so he means "i regret to inform you i knew all along" lol

at one level these horrible ppl beclowning themselves (cf also pivar above, and dersh) is hard not to laugh at, but on a deeper level it's just so awful -- because this is who has power: utter idiots able to behave in viciously ghastly ways :|

"I can only reiterate my regret that I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person"

Implying: "I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person"

Implying: "I thought that what I thought I knew of him was not the real person."

Which kind of sounds like: “I thought that he was a bad person.”

Putting it all back together: "I regret that I mistakenly thought that he was a bad person.”

that mother jones interview is unhinged.

this is who has power: utter idiots able to behave in viciously ghastly ways :|

To coin a phrase, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". To which I would add, when the primary basis of that power is inheritance, you get a high percentage of corrupt idiots.

I'm more of a fan of the "power reveals character" school of thought.

character is not immutable imo. add new elements to a person's condition and they often change in response. the 'reveals character' hypothesis requires that whatever appears to be new was already there, but hidden. because changes in behavior are clearly evident, but the hidden pre-existence of a newly apparent character trait was not evident, the simpler explanation (they just changed) seems to me closer to the truth.

power changes people

but to Simon's point, who seeks power?

people don't change, power reveals

new poll

Uhhhhhhhh....

Jeffrey Epstein transferred more than $577 million in assets to his brother two days before his suicide. Lisa Bloom, the lawyer representing several of his alleged victims in a civil suit, describes what that means for the case.https://t.co/iIpAKNCAOA

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) August 24, 2019

A huge donation to a reporter's favored nonprofit.
A bullet with a message.
A cat's severed head in the front yard of an editor-in-chief.

Those were some of the tools Jeffrey Epstein is said to have used to try to soften news coverage: https://t.co/tF87ZzfQbH

— NPR (@NPR) August 23, 2019

(slow-burn revenge for it's a royal knockout)

tbf to the appalling Andrew, that was entirely Edward's doing, he's barely been seen in public since and it was over 30 years ago!