the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

it’s definitely the perfect narrative for our post-subtlety times

Yep

i don't understand why the broken neck bones are evidence of a conspiracy when those same bones are frequently broken in suicide-by-hanging, especially in men middle-aged and above?

people are trying hard to find evidence he didn't strangle himself

"frequently" seems to be 1 out of 4 or something like that, but in people who were restrained/choked by someone else the incidence rate is higher? it's grasping for straws, to be sure

it was reported that in his previous "suicide attempt" he was found in his cell, passed out in the fetal position, with marks on his neck (he appeared in court shortly afterward with no marks on his neck)

this entire epstein saga is being written by a thomas pynchon with a head injury or something
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, August 15, 2019 4:59 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

probably only a few days from photographs of Maxwell on John McAfee's fugitive schooner

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-hyoid-bone-broken-neck/

In the article Hyoid bone fracture caused by blunt neck trauma, multiple authors found that “Hyoid bone fracture is usually the result of direct trauma to the neck because of manual strangulation, hanging, blunt trauma or projectiles.”

They explained in the Journal of Acute Medicine: “However, fracture of the hyoid bone is rare because it is protected by the mandible. In fact, most hyoid bone injuries are caused by strangulation.”

I found this one the other day (most news orgs seem to have found my first google result too, that Thai study of 20 cases)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17720591/?i=2&from=/20973326/related

Suicidal hanging: fatalities in Istanbul retrospective analysis of 761 autopsy cases.
Uzün I, et al. J Forensic Leg Med. 2007.
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Abstract

We retrospectively analyzed the autopsy records of the Institute of Forensic Medicine during the five-year period between 1998 and 2002 to document the characteristics of fatalities resulting from hanging which is the commonest mode of suicide in Istanbul. Upon analysis of death scene investigation and autopsy reports together with the information gathered from the police, the cases of hanging fatalities of suicidal origin were selected. Seven hundred sixty one hanging cases of suicidal origin were detected and evaluated in terms of demographic features, the type of hanging material used for ligature, cause of death, internal findings in neck organs, other traumatic findings suggesting the use of another method for suicide, toxicological findings and microscopic findings in delayed death cases. In 364 of these cases suspension was complete and in 397 incomplete. Five hundred thirty seven of those (70.56%) were male and 224 (29.44%) were female. The preponderance of male cases in our autopsy population was also detected in suicidal hanging cases. There was no case aged lower 10 and the number of the cases in the age group of cases aged over 80 was the lowest (n=3, 0.4%). In 634 of cases, the place of hanging was the subject's own house, most victims selected rope (652 cases) for the ligature with the rest using sheet, belt, cable and necktie. There were traumatic findings showing attempts of suicide other than hanging in 24 cases (tentative marks in 22 cases and non-fatal burning in 2). In 23 of cases, there were bruises of different ages. In these cases females constituted the majority suggesting violence against women that is a social problem in various cultural subgroups of our country. This violence may have played a role in the decision of suicide. Superficial bruises were detected in 56 cases and were attributed to the trauma. Fractures in neck organs were detected in 446 of cases. In fracture-determined cases, fracture in hyoid bone was seen in 177, in thyroid cartilage in 163, in both hyoid and thyroid in 106. Vertebral fracture was detected in six cases and fractures both in hyoid, thyroid and vertebra was found in four cases. Hyperemic lines around the ligature were prominent in 620 of the cases and soft tissue ecchymoses in all cases. In 305 of the cases (40.07%) diagnosis was based only on the soft tissue hemorrhage.

the plot thickens

everybody stay calm but ghislaine maxwell is an anagram for an illegal sex whim

— Andrea Long Chu (@theorygurl) August 15, 2019

scully: Epstein died of strangulation by an unknown assailant
mulder: *throws her a file* ever heard of the suicide alien

— Wow, Bob Mackey! (@bobservo) August 15, 2019

In one of the zillion Epstein threads on Twitter someone linked to this, which has an incredible anecdote about Ghislane Maxwell

https://observer.com/2002/11/vikram-chatwal-turban-cowboy/

I asked what his social life had been like recently, and he mentioned a dinner party at the Manhattan townhouse of Lady Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of the late British media baron Robert Maxwell. The guest of honor, said Mr. Chatwal, was Prince Andrew, who told a “quite humorous” joke involving Pepto-Bismol and his brother Prince Charles’ girlfriend, Camilla Parker Bowles. Then Ms. Maxwell told a story about how she flew a Blackhawk helicopter in Colombia and fired a rocket into a supposed terrorist camp.

“Ghislaine is just the most rocking babe I’ve ever met,” said Mr. Chatwal. “She blew up a tank . That is amazing . After that, my perception of her completely changed. I said, ‘You have to be the coolest person alive.'”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-spent-time-alone-with-young-female-prison-visitor/

It’s understandable why Epstein would want to avoid his cell. Conditions inside MCC are legendarily bad—”miserable,” according to Patton—and Epstein had complained about rodents and bad food, according to multiple reports. At least the SHU meeting room would get him out of his cell. But the 1970s-era facility left a lot to be desired by both inmates and attorneys. Patton said the MCC isn’t as bad as more violent lockups, like Rikers Island. “But it’s one of the worst in different respects: Incredibly cramped—the only ‘outdoor’ recreation is on the rooftop under heavy fencing,” he said.

As for the SHU, where Epstein was kept, Patton said the conditions are even harsher. Inmates are housed in their cells 23 hours a day, and there’s only a tiny window letting in a sliver of natural light. “It’s a forbidding physical place to spend time. And it doesn’t certainly help in terms of mental health, or people improving their disposition, or getting them prepared to eventually reenter society and be more productive than when they went in,” he said.

Which is why any inmate would likely prefer to sit in a private room. Epstein, though, could afford to pay lawyers to sit there with him. As for the woman he saw sitting with Epstein, the attorney said, “I think she was there just to babysit him, and keep him out of his cell, and just keep him company for eight hours a day. Which is not supposed to be the way it works.”

The hyoid bone is protected in the front and sides by the mandible and in the back by the spine. It is mobile. Less than 0.002% of fractures involve the hyoid. Only 31 cases of traumatic hyoid fracture other than strangulation have been documented. Jeffrey Epstein aint number 32.

— Eugene Gu, MD (@eugenegu) August 15, 2019

The hyoid bone is protected in the front and sides by the mandible and in the back by the spine. It is mobile. Less than 0.002% of fractures involve the hyoid. Only 31 cases of traumatic hyoid fracture other than strangulation have been documented. Jeffrey Epstein aint number 32.

can we stop quoting viral twitter junkie/abuser eugene gu, though. dude has no credibility

I had no idea who he was

yeah, sorry for phrasing it like that. dude sucks!

back on track: that vikram chatwal story mentions he had a “G” tattooed on his arm for Gisele Bunchen, which seems creepy and weird. but, from a new GM story:

She went by “G” rather than her distinctive first name, neighbors said, had a vizsla dog and took walks to the waterfront, but kept largely to herself.

hmmm!

Best part of that profile is this bit:

Puff Daddy arrived, dressed as a king with a crown and a long, flowing red robe. “He’s a real cool, down-to-earth guy,” said the rapper of Mr. Chatwal.

Oh wait I misread that as Chatwal talking about Puff Daddy lol. Still, interesting glimpse of that world

The guest of honor, said Mr. Chatwal, was Prince Andrew, who told a “quite humorous” joke involving Pepto-Bismol and his brother Prince Charles’ girlfriend, Camilla Parker Bowles.

I’m quite sure the punchline here is Irritable Bowles Syndrome.

Lol it probably was

lol

He wants to be reincarnated as a jumbo pack of nappies this time

https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/american-flags-lowered-to-half-staff-on-jeffrey-epsteins-private-islands/

Boat captain Kelly Quinn, owner of Salty Dog Day Sails, was cruising past Little St. James, just off the southeast coast of St. Thomas in the US Virgin Islands, when she captured photos and videos of the lowering.

“It was a real moment out there and it just felt so heavy,” Quinn told NBC News. “I didn’t feel there was a realness of the end of Jeffrey Epstein until I saw that. That was a lot more literal.”

Though it wasn’t clear who lowered the two flags on each end of the 70-acre property, Quinn said she believes it was one of Epstein’s employees.

“They’re doing this as a remembrance, but the irony is he’ll only be remembered for the deviance,” Quinn said of the convicted pedophile and accused child sex trafficker.

lol @ this boat tour person being a recurring character

pedobear flag also at half mast

bill clinton at half mast

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/8f16cd8e-99a6-40ad-9087-349aeff2f74a/scale-to-width-down/800

"At first we didn't think much of the flag at half staff. By that point we had all grown accustomed to flags being lowered. Being ... draped. Over coffins, over bodies. We barely noticed the flag, but it was not long before we noticed the sharks. Oh, we saw them, alright. Circling the island, around and around. You could see their fins pokin' up over the surf, and you knew they were searchin', with those cold, black eyes. They were attracted, you see, to the blood. The scent of it. They went 'round and 'round, waitin' for the ... wait, did you say Quint or Quinn? Quinn? Oh, my bad."

Goddam it. Stepped on my own dumb joke.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/8f16cd8e-99a6-40ad-9087-349aeff2f74a/scale-to-width-down/800

from Counterpunch:

Subsequent reporting of the case will overlook decades of the elite-driven state craft that elevated corrupt and ruthless entities like Epstein and Trump, both ring-kissing acolytes in their youth of influential mob fixer/politcal power broker Roy Cohn – himself a serial sexual predator who similarly caught the fancy of fellow deviants Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover. Follow the money trail from Tel Aviv and you’ll discover an ancestral link between the corpse of Epstein and his ghostly godfathers waiting with his rewards in hell.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/08/16/la-danse-mossad-robert-maxwell-and-jeffrey-epstein

It’s all really just organized crime innit

Epstein’s covert activities have undiminished real world consequences for anyone on Israel’s international radar, especially those challenging the status quo policies in place that prioritize “The Jewish State’s” political and financial objectives over actual justice and global stability.

mm...hmm

damn I missed that, sorry. I was interested in the history aspect

now I feel stupid for posting that but I did not know abt the Cohn connection

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship/amp

love too kneel with force pic.twitter.com/VG8l2Y1GFS

— TrueAnon Pod (@TrueAnonPod) August 16, 2019

Reverse crunches are important core work.

whats the melting point of hyoid

I’d have simply leaned forward firmly, not done a faux hanging

We need some diagrams, mock up photos of the cell,some arrows etc.

I keep thinking that. I've seen pics of similar units specifically designed to prevent this sort of thing

absolute units

lol

Screaming is often heard from the cells of those leaning forward forcibly.

I'm paywalled but there's a new NYT story "recounting Epstein's final days"

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-appearances/the-gall-of-ghislaine-maxwell

Before her was a burger, perhaps served “animal style,” which, in In-N-Out parlance, means topped with all the fixings

LOL

The anonymous photographer told the Post that Maxwell was reading “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of C.I.A. Operatives,” which, if true, seemed to suggest her awareness of people’s fascination, and also their conspiracy-theory-mongering. There appeared to be, in other words, a distinct possibility that Maxwell was fucking with us. An ultra-wealthy cohort had allegedly committed a series of heinous crimes, in plain sight, with a kind of entitled shrug, and a general sense that they were above the rules of society and would never be caught. In Maxwell’s impenitent gaze, we could see the broader audacity of the Epstein affair.

How is this woman not either in jail or in hiding overseas?