Marvel Comics blabbery

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My uninformed sense is that Disney would be thrilled to give Perlmutter the boot but can't for reasons I'm sure only sic knows.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:05 (one month ago) link

but I guess you could just as truthfully point out that Bob Iger is "making bank" off Marvel product

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/evandorkin/781303/165826/165826_600.jpg

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:02 (one month ago) link

Wrong company, how embarrassing 4 u

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:06 (one month ago) link

give it a year or two

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:13 (one month ago) link

When will the "Marvel vs. DC" movie happen

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:35 (one month ago) link

xxp (?) I'm not rationalizing or arguing that anyone should buy Marvel product if they don't want to (if that's what you're implying by posting that strip), just pointing out that the logic of the editorial cuts both ways.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:40 (one month ago) link

Disney has only owned Marvel for ten years; Perlmutter forced out Perelman after the suicide-by-Heroes-World.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:46 (one month ago) link

(and continues to impose his bathroom / paperclip / warehouse policies that individual ppl did or didn't count as boycott prompts pre-Disney, as well as the labour policies that Marvel has run on forever)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:48 (one month ago) link

Sounds like you're writing your own editorial (and probably a better one).

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:05 (one month ago) link

RJ is 3-for-3 on editorials where I agree with the principles, but think the details are insufficiently elucidated to argue those principles to people who might not typically assess spending options against such frameworks.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:18 (one month ago) link

Such a boycott would hurt Your Favorite Creator far more than any CEO, sadly. (And really, who's gonna drop all Disney, Star Wars AND Marvel properties?)

Nhex, Friday, 16 August 2019 00:46 (one month ago) link

Raises hand

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 August 2019 00:55 (one month ago) link

Its not really that hard

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 August 2019 00:55 (one month ago) link

I've tried to buy my twice-a-decade Marvel comic two months in a row now. Last Jedi was the first Star War I saw since Caravan Of Courage. I do watch most Pixars tho

Such a boycott would hurt Your Favorite Creator far more than any CEO, sadly

this is absolute nonsense though, My Favourite Creator is much better served by my buying the work that they own and control

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 01:10 (one month ago) link

ok so the last Marvel comic I bought was Strange Tales II

I have bought other comics by Nick Bertozzi and Thien Pham and Kate Beaton and Jillian Tamaki and (in anthologies) Shannon Wheeler and Frank Santoro and Kevin Huizenga and Dash Shaw and Nicholas Gurewitch and Xaime Hernandez and Beto and Jeffrey Brown and Paul Hornschemier and Tony Millionaire and David Heatley and James Stokoe and Ben Marra and Michael Deforge, but I have not bought any other Marvel comics by any of these cartoonists

I HAVE bought other Marvel comics coloured by Laura Allred, but only as a package deal

I bought one (1) other Marvel comic by Farel Dalrymple, vs ten or so of his own comics, and I bought the $5 digest of Ty Templeton's Spider-Man / Human Torch: I'm With Stupid.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 01:22 (one month ago) link

(wait Strange Tales aside I guess I bought a couple of Roger Langridge comics from Marvel c. 2009-10 as well. I declined to buy the deluxe hardcover collection of his Muppet comics that came out after Disney bought Marvel, though, because they would not pay him. it's honestly really easy to make decisions like that!)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 01:26 (one month ago) link

If only we could do both. Alas, I have pledged unyielding allegiance to the House of Mouse, apologies to all of those b&w books by depressed people about...I dunno, their feet or whatever.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:00 (one month ago) link

(I'm pretty sure I've bought Los Bros a car each given the number of times I've repurchased the same stories in a different format.)

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:02 (one month ago) link

If only we could do both.

it’s only a small point of order, but I don’t think you technically can both boycott and not boycott the same product

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:31 (one month ago) link

I was talking about supporting a creator's corporate and independent work simultaneously, ya goof, but I suspect you could've grokked that without my assistance.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:53 (one month ago) link

I guess I’ve really been letting Kate Beaton and Frank Santoro and Kevin Huizenga and Dash Shaw and Nicholas Gurewitch and Xaime Hernandez and Beto and Paul Hornschemier and Tony Millionaire and David Heatley and James Stokoe and Ben Marra and Michael Deforge down by not supporting all the work they’ve done for Marvel since October 2010

I already didn’t buy all of Jeffrey Brown’s Star Wars books before Disney bought Lucasfilm, though

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 07:21 (one month ago) link

Fantagraphics promoted a similar boycott when Marvel were insisting Jack Kirby sign a disgraceful contract before they returned any of his original artwork to him. These things are hard to quantify, but I think it did have some effect (on public opinion/perception if nothing else) - at least, Marvel eventually caved in iirc. Of course the stakes are quite different now, but at the very least, public opposition to Perlmutter and what he stands for can't do any harm.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 16 August 2019 08:00 (one month ago) link

I guess I’ve really been letting Kate Beaton and Frank Santoro and Kevin Huizenga and Dash Shaw and Nicholas Gurewitch and Xaime Hernandez and Beto and Paul Hornschemier and Tony Millionaire and David Heatley and James Stokoe and Ben Marra and Michael Deforge down by not supporting all the work they’ve done for Marvel since October 2010

I mean you can see how your case might be enhanced if your position was, “I Love Marvel stuff but refuse to buy it on principle,” rather than “I’m boycotting something that causes me no pain.”

Like I guess we’re supposed to just laugh at the Batman fan in the strip, “what a buffoon,” but his is the position that we identify with (as fans) — we all know what it’s like when you “gotta have your” (something).

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:47 (one month ago) link

I only buy Batman works that degrade or render the character ridiculous, hoping to cause an accelerationist death spiral of increasingly untenable Batman content that slowly dissolves the franchise, and even DC/WB itself, from within

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 15:11 (one month ago) link

I mean, you'd have to go some distance to outpace DC's efforts there, and still..

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 August 2019 15:13 (one month ago) link

lest someone think I was being literal, that was completely tongue in cheek

I do look forward to future Batman efforts by Frank Miller and Neal Adams, though

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 15:24 (one month ago) link

I would go so far as to say, I honestly don’t give a shit if my mainstream comics purchases have a negative
political or ecological footprints for the industry and the world beyond. It’s a tiny industry. I support and pay for independent creators on a monthly basis. I’m okay with junk food.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:04 (one month ago) link

I mean you can see how your case might be enhanced if your position was, “I Love Marvel stuff but refuse to buy it on principle,” rather than “I’m boycotting something that causes me no pain.”

Like I guess we’re supposed to just laugh at the Batman fan in the strip, “what a buffoon,” but his is the position that we identify with (as fans) — we all know what it’s like when you “gotta have your” (something).

Thanks for putting it this way. I couldn't really figure out the words to make this argument, but basically - yeah. If you're on this board reading and contributing to this thread, you probably care at least a little about the comic books, the characters and the artists making them. If not, so be it! But then you're already unaffected by what's going on Marvel/DC. So... why even chime in?

Nhex, Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:40 (one month ago) link

Because it's important to express an opinion when you have one.

Marvel will outlast fucking Perlmutter. It'll probably outlast its current corporate steward once Feige leaves and the movies start to suck shit and lose money. I'm firmly on board until they start regularly pissing all over themselves a la DC. And I will somehow still muster the will and the wherewithal to read and support (*gasp* *choke*) independent comics and their creators. It's a weird wild wonderful world.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:43 (one month ago) link

Nobody brought up shitting on indie comics at all.

Nhex, Saturday, 17 August 2019 04:48 (one month ago) link

I'm probably the only one who cares, but a little disappointed that the current version of Marvel Comics Presents will probably end with #9. It's been a fun book - the Soule Wolverine ongoing story is fun and I like the hidden conceit of this series - throwing characters into different real life time periods

I bought #8 (because of a Jessica Drew story), didn’t think it was very good, and was thrown for a loop by the ad for an indie rock band on the back cover — in the format of a one-page Avengers strip, à la the old Hostess comic book ads. Interesting marketing strategy, I guess.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Monday, 26 August 2019 05:57 (three weeks ago) link

Found an old Spider-Man from a charity shop – with Giffen art! Story is Mantlo and trashy – Spider-Man fights gentrifying crime gangs! – but the art is nice. Rare Giffen Marvel moment maybe, in full Munoz mode

https://i.imgur.com/4RvFzoX_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 26 August 2019 13:53 (three weeks ago) link

What year is that from?

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Monday, 26 August 2019 14:11 (three weeks ago) link

Has to be somewhere between March 1985 and... let's say June '87.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:23 (three weeks ago) link

it's spectacular 120 iirc, so November 86

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:27 (three weeks ago) link

my Giffen-sense was tingling!

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:34 (three weeks ago) link

lol / wow apparently this was an inventory script from 1979 or earlier that got dug up for a fill-in during the black-suit Spidey era

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 26 August 2019 17:46 (three weeks ago) link

that's an awesome spread

Nhex, Monday, 26 August 2019 18:46 (three weeks ago) link

I knew Bill Mantlo wrote quite a few Peter Parker issues...I'd guess #104 was also an inventory script.

The Spectacular Spider-Man #6, 9–10, 12–15, 17–34, 36–40, 42, 53, 61–89, 104, 120, Annual #1, 4 (1977–1986)

earlnash, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 00:49 (three weeks ago) link

After barring the Spiegelman essay they commissioned for Marvel Comics #1000, Marvel have also censored political references from a Mark Waid essay about America in the same comic

https://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-depoliticizes-captain-america-marvel-comics-1000/

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 29 August 2019 05:24 (two weeks ago) link

"b&w books by depressed people about...I dunno, their feet or whatever" is a pretty weird way to characterize Kate Beaton

Anyway, anyone still reading Ms Marvel? New writer's first move was to whisk her away from the New Jersey setting that imo is the heart of the series for some tedious space opera business. Hoping it'll get better now she's back home, but I dunno...

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 29 August 2019 09:49 (two weeks ago) link

It seemed a decent way to actually in-comic deal with "holy fuck I have just taken over a book that's both good and Important" - but I stopped after a few issues.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 29 August 2019 10:44 (two weeks ago) link

"b&w books by depressed people about...I dunno, their feet or whatever" is a pretty weird way to characterize Kate Beaton

It was, how you say, a troll.

McGrief the Crying Dog (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 August 2019 11:34 (two weeks ago) link

Was Waid’s essay (including in its original form) meant to be in the voice of Captain America?

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 29 August 2019 14:53 (two weeks ago) link

the two hickman x-books are the only marvel stuff i've enjoyed + followed in a few years. are there other ongoings right now that are must-reads? or recent runs (like over the last 5 years) i may have overlooked?

Mordy, Thursday, 29 August 2019 20:18 (two weeks ago) link

i'm enjoying Jason Aaron's ongoing run on Thor and I've not been a big fan of a lot of his other work! His style fits the character.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 29 August 2019 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

The Immortal Thor run is pretty good two tpbs into it.

Frederik B, Thursday, 29 August 2019 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

Immortal Hulk, not Thor. Goodnight everyone.

Frederik B, Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:00 (two weeks ago) link

Almost every Marvel run I've read has been derailed sooner rather than later by being taken into space, and DC/Marvel visions of space are almost invariably as derivative and boring as fuck

If I wanted to read bad 1950s pulp SF I can get that free at Project Gutenberg


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