Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

(pretend there is an apostrophe up there)

Here's how the interviewer frames the discussion, I doubt Mayo's detailed and technical/theoretical responses were unwelcome:

I was particularly interested in the musical "logic" used to record the album Coconut Hotel. I suspected that the Red Krayola was essentially exploring "free improvisation", contemporaneous with groups like AMM and Musica Elettronica Viva.

(I also doubt Mayo would give the same kind of responses in a Playboy interview, or be asked the same questions!)

xps Shakey I was mostly thinking of Animal Collective, like who is the 2009 Animal Collective of 2019

Here's a recent-ish online Q&A sesh w/Mayo

sidewiththeseeds
What are your thoughts on the Velvet Underground?

MayoThompson
Love them to death

Yeah... I guess when i read interviews w ppl whose music I like I am generally pleasantly surprised by how humble and self-effacing they are. He just rubs me the wrong way in this interview... Which, is fine and to be expected. He's a weirdo. But not my preferred sort I guess.

Thanks for that reddit link (words I never imagined I would type!!!!) he really does seem like a sweet dude. I guess it was just the context of the interview itself that I posted. Or indigestion issues of its reader/would-be interpreter.

I know, I *hate* linking to Reddit, lol

side with the seeds
What are your thoughts on Gaye Bykers on Acid

MayoThompson
Grebo is where it's at

Heh, among other issues the format is maddening to navigate. But, for whatever reasons the AMAs manage to shine at times. (am particularly thinking of the recent Bernie Sanders, David Berman ones...)

I am a big Felt guy and was skimming to see if anyone on there asked him about producing The Poem of the River. iirc Lawrence supposedly recorded his vocals in the dark for that one? And now repudiates the production i think? I personally think it's a very warm-sounding record. The guitar tones alone, wow.

who is the 2009 Animal Collective of 2019

I don't know if there's an answer to that since 2019 hasn't had an album that has dominated the critical conversation like MPP did in 2009.

So at this point, I'm just gonna say Big Thief.

Or Lana Del Rey, since I could see this being the last year where she puts out something that gets a lot of recognition.

^right, that's closer to what I mean. 2009 AC isn't just MPP, it was the peak of a decade of gradually increasing critical respect + (relative) commercial success

LDR fits, first album in 2012 and NFR looks like it could be her masterpiece

It’s not GADPY, it’s GAPDY.

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:45 AM (eight minutes ago)

ILM didn't originate this

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Think again!

I always get it wrong xp

Also, there is no GAPDY analogue anymore thanks to poptimism/the reappraisal of R&B/way more rap coverage/ and a general move of music criticism away from "straight white college men elevating other straight white college men"

The whole Mitski/Dacus/Parquet/Soccer Mommy/Barnett/Snail Mail/War on Drugs/Kurt Vile/US Girls/Boygenius axis could have been gappin everything in its absence, but it's not that world anymore

revival of mashup thread makes me think mashups generally have suffered massively in the 2010s and that therefore Girl Talk's legacy must have worsened. but i guess the thread doesn't really work the same way for artists that came onto the scene in the 2000s, and maybe especially not novelty/phenomena things that nobody really expected to be actively listened to years down the road.

that mayo thompson interview doesn't strike me as being insufferable. he's talking about the band's creative process. if he's an asshole for engaging in an interview that goes beyond the "where do you get your ideas from" cliches than i wish there were more thoughtful and articulate assholes like him!

how the xx have fallen as they dont even get added to gapdy anymore

revival of mashup thread makes me think mashups generally have suffered massively in the 2010s and that therefore Girl Talk's legacy must have worsened. but i guess the thread doesn't really work the same way for artists that came onto the scene in the 2000s, and maybe especially not novelty/phenomena things that nobody really expected to be actively listened to years down the road.

i played out a few mashups last friday, and they went down an absolute storm.
you just have to select carefully.
that said, Girl Talk never had a decent flow, i never liked the 100 tracks per minute aspect of his thing.

Gapdyxx?

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific
― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:45 AM (eight minutes ago)

ILM didn't originate this

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Think again!

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:07 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

oops.

guys Lennon is five seasons deep on his podcast, but he records it in LA

https://www.earwolf.com/show/questions-for-lennon/

mashups are def in right now, they just gotta be a little funny is all

ha see i preferred girl talk at the 100 track per minute level, and for ages was tinkering on my own version of same. my feeling was that by the 2010 album he's really lost the plot by streamlining it down to much fewer and more obvious samples, the delirium was gone. probably he just didn't have time to craft the things at the same level, having become a worldwide sensation.

I am a big Felt guy and was skimming to see if anyone on there asked him about producing The Poem of the River. iirc Lawrence supposedly recorded his vocals in the dark for that one? And now repudiates the production i think?

Alan only ever asked me to do two things, otherwise he left me on my own. He decided to have a house producer at Creation. He said, “From now on, everyone has got to use the same producer, like at Motown. It will be Mayo Thompson.” In the end, only two of us used Mayo before he was dumped. It didn’t work out at all.
...
You could write a book on that one. I took it here, I took it there; I remixed it. We took it to Robin (Guthrie) to try to rescue it; we chucked two songs off; we wrote two new songs for it. Poem… is a great album and people love it, but it’s like an album with a mental illness. It’s crazy.

https://recordcollectormag.com/articles/lawrence

It’s funny how it has like the EXACT OPPOSITE problem that ignite has

Ha, thanks visiting. I swear I read something, I'm too lazy to look it up right now, where he recorded his vocals in the dark

I do love the original finished product. The guitars sound so warm. I'm the last person to ever be accused of being an audiophile, but I am not a huge fan of the remastered Felt reissues. There is a remoteness, vox and instruments seem distant somehow where they were formerly more intimate. I dunno what that's about, but also granted I don't listen to music mostly under the most ideal audiophile setups. I am a rather crude and simple man, you see...

Bizarre that he would take it to Robin Guthrie, as I thought Lawrence famously hated the production on ignite the seven... regardless, poem is yah kind of a weird record for someone as ocd as he to have put out in its final form. it is essentially a couple of hippie jams bookended by a bizarre "rock" song, the most beautiful jazz-inflected lyrical pop song ever, a dylan-ish tell-off, and a nick drake wadoff. That said, it is so good. PJR is even better and more insane by my standards, but then I love half-assed demo shit in which ppl spend a half hour complaining about the state of the world in two-minute bursts .it is like nutella to a honeybear for me.

brimstead, i'm not even sure what you mean, but preemptory lol. i guess artists are notoriously bad at evaluating their own stuff and what of it appeals to fans, etc.

What podcasts would Genghis Khan, Elagabalus, Socrates, Ching Shih, Helena Blavatsky and Henry 8th be on if they just stuck around a tad longer?

The Bugle

Ching Shih would be a good chapo ep

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81sHF0-loUL.jpg

^^^^^^ pretentious as fuck. None of these are as good as Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure

when I work out Friends is always on, albeit with the volume off. to me the show is just an endless series of long conversations that end in 2 characters making out

― frogbs, Wednesday, July 17, 2019 10:24 AM (one month ago)

Here’s an article about this phenomenon: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/21/the-age-of-comfort-tv-why-people-are-secretly-watching-friends-and-the-office-on-a-loop

Not artists, but ideas/attitudes

Something I recently thought about that I haven't thought about in a very long time: the cult of drugs. Those guys who over-mythologize the role of drugs in creativity, searching for the right combination of drugs so they can magically turn into Jimi Hendrix. Have they all died out?

The tradition of building up a band then knocking them down. I wonder why this happened and how deliberate it was, but a lot of people recognized it.
I get the impression that somehow the business only accommodated a small enough number of bands at a time, so people would inevitably grow sick of them. High priority bands that some magazines felt obliged to praise are later left to any reviewer who wants to stick the knife in them?
When paging through music magazines I used to notice bands I was sick of getting this treatment and I started to feel a little ghoulish about being pleased to see them get low scores, felt really bad about it eventually.
How much does this still happen? Why did it ever happen? When did it start and when did it peak?

I don't think it's a case of over-mythologising, it's just a change in the type of drugs which are popular

Some people were seriously delusional about what drugs can do for people.

I feel like the last guy who had a serious "drug mythos" around him that didn't just consist of worrying about whether they could stay alive was...Ariel Pink, maybe?

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/204f3389ae28a45eaea3b4032f421f1e2a4e7715/0_227_4968_2980/master/4968.jpg

I can imagine drugs became a lot less romantic w/r/t rock stars after Kurt Cobain died

Hardly seems fair to pin it on drugs when Courtney's right there.

jfc it's so hard to post a picture on mobile now.

anyway, here I try again to demonstrate that this is a silly argument, this picture is from 2017

https://i.redd.it/jd8bmdpdyh5z.jpg

to Simon's point, I can't think of a post-94 case where it wasn't "omg look how crazy!" and "omg when are they gonna die??" Libertines, Winehouse, Britney, Amanda Bynes, Layne Staley. Maybe Elliott Smith, but not the disaster live shows, only because he so consciously made his last album about his substance abuse. Cat Power? I don't think so- that was just people worrying.

Actually, now that I think of it Charlie Sheen 2011 was maybe the most recent example, because he turned it into performance art. Maybe Lil Wayne? But surely not after dozens and dozens of seizures.

Cobain definitely didn't calm it down. I remember this drugs = musical genius idea going strong into the late 00s

You guys must not be paying attention to rap music, because...

I mean, I did just post the picture of Lil Pump with a xanax cake

Cobain definitely didn't calm it down. I remember this drugs = musical genius idea going strong into the late 00s

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, December 24, 2019 4:03 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Really? with heroin?

I don't know about rappers now, it's halfway between glamor and candor about addiction and dependency. I don't think there's anything romantic about Peep or Pump's drug use in their music, and it has nothing to do with being perceived as a musical genius. it's more relatable than anything else, or aspirational... this is how people cope... and maybe I'm putting too narrow a focus on this. Because Cobain never made heroin seem like an appealing thing, unlike EVERYONE in the 60s-70s until people realized coke wasn't like pot. Like I can imagine idiots thinking dropping acid and picking up a Strat could make them Hendrix, or smoking pot and living in the Chelsea Hotel was just something geniuses did.

mixture of "it was always like this" "different drugs in fashion = different kinds of glamourisation" and "psychedelics are due a comeback once we have a glimmer of hope for the future"