PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

They should strip the leader of the Labour Party of all powers then give the role to Yvette Cooper, meanwhile invent a new role for Corbyn with the same powers as the leader of the Labour Party used to have and give it some title like Politburo Commissar of All the Soviets.

either they do and they’re deliberately misrepresenting their position for political gain

or

they’re total idiots

🤔

not hard to see why the brexiters keep banging on abt remainers having no respect for democracy, it goes deeper than the referendum result

Well this could destroy Jo Swinson's ability to get those Tory/Lib Dem marginal seats, which would put any coalition in jeopardy.

I put it as a maybe because Johnson would be running on a No Deal ticket anyway. xps to NV

Yeah I wouldn't want to really call the outcome of a GE but again anybody seriously pro ref 2 and/or no ND must know that working across party boundaries will be a medium term necessity

Imagine looking at that Aaron Banks tweet linked up thread and performatively acting out over the Corbyn letter.

lib dems have gone from the party of democratising reforms to the party of avoid an election at all costs

the demos are invoked when they're unchangeable bigots who must be appeased and ignored when they want egalitarian reform

fuck me i can talk. where the hell did that telephone exchange stuff come from.

I was wondering what the fuck that was about.

imagine this will play particularly bad in swinson’s LD/SNP marginal which is full of anti-NDB accountants and lawyers

to gyac: yes, the politics of the politicians have cleared up for me today---Corbyn seems to have played this well. articles posted here on what no dealers want have clarified their stance too. much else remains unclear but I'm just a student.

Here’s an idea @jeremycorbyn, if you want unity, why don’t you stand aside and let someone other opposition leaders feel comfortable getting behind take over because at the moment, the only thing stopping your plan working is you.

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) August 15, 2019

It's thick-headed on so many levels but to return to perhaps the most fundamental: how big is the Twitter melt mandate, or Swinson's, or Lucas's, compared to Corbyn's?

The problem is that we currently have three or four different and regularly conflicting modes of democracy all overlapping and competing with one another right now and no one seems to know which one takes prescience, partly because MPs have ignored the problem and picked whichever one happens to be useful to them at any given time.

It isn't very sexy or the sort of thing that swings elections but a proper written constitution should be a manifesto pledge for several of the parties.

(xpost - given that the Greens, SNP and Tory rebels are apparently happy to talk to Corbyn it seems obvious where the problem lies).

Lucas, as I thought, has seen sense.

My appeal to @JoSwinson to reconsider her response to Corbyn's approach on stopping a disastrous No Deal #Brexit pic.twitter.com/47xVDpUoMf

— Caroline Lucas (@CarolineLucas) August 15, 2019

Also can’t even get through 240 characters without making some kind of basic communication error. Autocorrect is no longer an excuse if you’re a melt who is paid to express yourself in public.

He's the twice-elected leader of the second biggest party in Parliament, you appeared in some sketches on TMWRNJ, he should be listening eh Emma?

Extremely otm thread from Joe Kennedy.

The Lib Dem chickens appearing over the hill with a manifest desire to roost seems like very, very, very good karmic blowback for all the usual suspects.

— Joe Kennedy (@joekennedy81) August 15, 2019

It has unfortunately been eclipsed by events but Stephen Kinnock and up to 29 of his friends planning to get May's deal through Parliament is majestic.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/14/labour-bloc-plans-radical-move-to-push-through-brexit-deal

xp needs two thirds of HoC to vote for dissolving parliament, which it will.

No fucking way Skinnock has 29 friends

Skinnock dropped that particular turd almost a whole day before the Corbyn letter. I bet he’s fuming.

Digging in:

Jo Swinson tells me she has spoken to Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman and both have told her they are prepared to lead an emergency govt to stop No Deal and call an election. #c4news pic.twitter.com/MFZadk152M

— Krishnan Guru-Murthy (@krishgm) August 15, 2019

I just caught up on the last 10 hours of posts and I should be clear that I am posting out of good faith ignorance (always)

as you always do, would you say?

You can see why Clarke or Harman are way more credible than nah come on this is just trolling now

She's making Tim Farron look good.

We are always posting as we always do, caek, and in good faith

thread needs fred

what else could we have done, being what we are

was there a second tory for us to burn?

I just love the one FBPE hard anti-corbyn guy I follow has totally shut the fuck up for a few hours and is posting about lol A-level results. This is paradise rn.

Fools to the end:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/15/remainers-stop-brexit-install-corbyn-pm

Jerumby Crobyn could never get a majority in this Parliament to install him as caretaker PM, which is why I could never support such a plan

SEND

An enduring rubric now more than ever.

Jrumbany Xhorbun, you have made it impossible for me, a man who you will have investigated for war crimes, to vote Labour. https://t.co/zC5S1MSxVZ

— Jimothy (@XRedTimX) July 22, 2019

It isn't very sexy or the sort of thing that swings elections but a proper written constitution should be a manifesto pledge for several of the parties.

a reminder we have a hectic thread with upwards of ten posts for pondering these issues UK Constitutional Reform thread

"A short-term Jeremy Corbyn government is less damaging than the generational damage that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit"

Conservative Guto Bebb says MPs opposed to leaving the EU without a deal must take the Labour leader's #Brexit plan seriouslyhttps://t.co/9zQcRnmwmc pic.twitter.com/befrhx2mV5

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) August 15, 2019

guto bebb otm

Great name.

Comes pre-spoonerized!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/15/us-moves-to-block-release-of-iranian-vessel-in-gibraltar

Buried in the news but Gibraltar is planning to release the Iranian tanker Britain ludicrously got them to seize, so i'd guess the Stena Impero will get let go as well. The US is attempting to block it - though god knows what the legal argument for that would be.

lol we’re all going to die

The only democratic way forward is for no-deal Brexit to be put to a vote against Remain: https://t.co/hMW9VUjaIY

— David Miliband (@DMiliband) August 15, 2019

another snippet for the dossier on Swinson's Remain instincts being bad not good was despite her talking up Ken as her favoured GNUtjobber earlier, she still voted against his soft brexit/customs union proposal (which Corbyn backed) that only lost by 3 votes.

Gabo Nebb

lol @ david mili choosing the two options guaranteed not to draw a line under anything

Oh good another grown-up in the room advocating 'Food Shortages: Classic or Dud?' on a ballot paper.

Re that DMili tweet

Corbyn's just playing a game of cunt chicken now to see what the soundest policy is he can come out with that pricks will still say is shit.

— Tom (@tmanning24492) April 6, 2017

If Swinson doesn’t work with Corbyn, the SNP will have her seat in the next election. They might well have it anyway.

The number of absolute idiots responding to that tweet with “come home!!!” and just looking past the inane and dangerous “sure let’s chance the auld food and medicine shortages against the public and Aaron Banks, be grand” is just
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9949357.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/John-McDonnell-MP-pre-budget-speech-London-UK-02-Mar-2017.jpg

Corbyn: no deal is bad and dangerous and we should try to stop it
Sensible fucking Twitter: Corbyn supports no deal, it’s a trap!
DMili: literally advocates allowing the public to vote for no deal
Sensible fucking Twitter: omg so sensible, finally an adult in the room, straight out of JKR 🤩

tbf there is a scorched-earth logic to a no deal vs remain referendum, but yeah

probably posted this scintillating observation before but guto bebb sounds like "good drink" in some unknown romance language