Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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kinder, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:41 (three months ago) link

at my gym i have to log in on a giant touch screen to run on the fucking treadmill. the other day it asked me if i wanted to install updates. hl;kjalkjh;asgdhl;kasgd

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:44 (three months ago) link

My own personal bugbear is how you used to be able to change the TV channel with a remote instantaneously rather than having to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the button and now that's seemingly impossible.

― kinder, 14. august 2019 00:14 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wait, what?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:51 (three months ago) link

oh god please just go away

cheese canopy (map), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:54 (three months ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:00 (three months ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too

Right? It used to actually be enjoyable to talk on the phone (not to mention that handsets were much more ergonomic/comfortable/seemed less likely to induce brain cancer), no wonder phone calls seem like an intrusive nuisance now.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:06 (three months ago) link

I realized too when I got an iPhone for xmas how much it suffered from an absence of the trackball on my old phone.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:12 (three months ago) link

The iPad was a bit of a stumble
-techno beaver

calstars, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:13 (three months ago) link

remote control thing is a great example. that drives me crazy any time i'm in a hotel or something and just want to enjoy the mindless zone-out of channel surfing. related: TVs coming with "motion smoothing" turned on by default and sometimes with no option to turn it off.

* many websites/apps/etc. have gotten slower and junkier as they've added features, loaded up with data-draining graphics and videos and scripts. like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago. google maps is another one that's gotten a lot shittier.

* new laptops with only USB-C ports so that to make this sleek, elegant thing fully functional and do basic things you need to buy an expensive dongle and have it hang awkwardly off the apple lust object.

* also in general, laptops replacing desktops for a computer that remains at a desk at all times --- massively worse ergonomically and less computer for your money.

* not to make this a physical media thread but def all the downsides of the streaming world belong here. but obv there are many tradeoffs.

* general trend of offloading labor onto unpaid customers (self check out, surveys, pressure from amazon to answer support questions for products you've bought, etc.).

* death of big-budget 2D animation (in hollywood anyway).

history is littered with these of course, cf. invention of agriculture and human health/life expectancy/society. or cars replacing transit networks, all of those stories. or at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:26 (three months ago) link

Audio fidelity/quality was better with landlines too.

i hung onto my landline for longer than most people and in the early days of cellphones it was infuriating talking to anyone on theirs because the audio quality was terrible. it's better now but still not as good as landlines were.

visiting, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:50 (three months ago) link

the substitution of plastics for paper, cloth, wood, and metal (not as acceptable as it used to be but never more pervasive)

Brad C., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:58 (three months ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.
A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:02 (three months ago) link

A lot of fast fashion type stuff bugs me, like having to actually look for cotton underwear.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:08 (three months ago) link

as someone who lives in a country where you wear gloves several months out of the year, i daily cursed the engineer who introduced thumbprint unlock as the default on the iPhone

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:10 (three months ago) link

the default of ‘pick up your phone and look at it before we reveal the content of a text’ on the iPhone ten also a v stupid idea

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:11 (three months ago) link

A black and white laserjet that couldn’t scan shit would cost you an arm but you could be sure that sucker would turn out pages for ages, iirc.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Brother still makes products of this caliber and they aren't disturbingly expensive.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:18 (three months ago) link

at a pettier level, all the changes in shaving since idk the 1960s or 70s.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:26 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

development of laser hair removal is a big improvement tbh

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:19 (three months ago) link

Color printer/scanners are a now an everyday cheapish appliance but their rate of malfunction makes them barely worth the trouble.

Not to be a commercial but after years of having problems with inkjet printers and generally feeling like they were the most unreliable piece of technology in existence, I bought an Epson Eco-tank and it has been life-changing. I actually love my printer now and wouldn’t trade it for anything. 100% reliable, scans and prints great, I haven’t had to refill it yet and I’ve had it for... 2 years? No more of the seemingly constant cartridge replacements. /commercial

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:22 (three months ago) link

Of course, that’s the opposite of what this thread is about.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:24 (three months ago) link

I just had a 1958 Grundig tube radio repaired, it sounds amazing; finding someone who could work on it was the hard part

it wasn't really so long ago that devices like radios, TVs, stereo components, and even personal computers were designed to be repaired and kept in service for many years; now the same kinds of devices go directly to the landfill as soon as they fail, if not sooner; the fact that the replacement devices are cheaper and more capable than the junked ones is not a particularly impressive sign of progress

Brad C., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:37 (three months ago) link

The loss of institutional knowledge about how to build heavy-duty, reliable liquid propellant rocket systems has had a massive impact on space programs around the world.

Now somebody tell me they have a way to get to the moon just fine.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:45 (three months ago) link

I’m gonna be really anxious when the time comes to buy a new TV because the one I have has been so good for so long *raps on wooden table*

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:47 (three months ago) link

i was curious about buying a new tv - i haven't had one since the mid 90s, a portable black-and-white model from the 80s passed on to me from my parents - and the enormous variations in crazy features and too-good-to-be-credible prices just made me give up

j., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:53 (three months ago) link

I started with the knowledge that I wanted a Sony of a certain size with a certain number of HDMI inputs and went with that, I think?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:59 (three months ago) link

i recently had ceiling fans installed, and we got the ones with lights built in

too late i realised that to turn the lights on and off we now need to fumble around with a dinky battery powered remote

curse a society that no longer understands that light switches should be easy to find in the dark

(also every button press is accompanied by an annoying beeping sound that can't be muted)

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:00 (three months ago) link

that everything has a remote is ridiculous.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:02 (three months ago) link

Wait, I've never turned lights on or off with a battery-powered remote. That is not a backward step I accept!

Landlines, though. Still had one until 2011. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person who finds it physically difficult to converse satisfyingly on a smartphone.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:08 (three months ago) link

i hate talking on the phone now, it makes me antsy and eager to get off the phone. but i don't know if that is something abt the phone itself, or how my expectations and practices around phones have changed, esp thru texting taking the place of calls for almost all the things i used to make calls for. and the ppl on the other end feeling the same way and distracted and eager to get off the phone too.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:24 (three months ago) link

everyone hates talking on the phone now.
it's social anxiety and because we have so many job related activities where one is on the phone all the time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (three months ago) link

although my mom still chats away like she is teenager of the year.

Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:28 (three months ago) link

It used to be that after CRT and plasma declined, televisions were a forced compromise: backlit LCD or nothing, which suck for watching films (bad shadow levels, motion smoothing, etc etc). I white-knuckled the gap between plasma and OLED by self-repairing my plasma when the power supply failed, and then buying a used plasma which got me through (barely, with lines on the screen and driver failures) just until the OLEDs came down enough for me to consider an end-of-line clearance price.
Now of course I have the best TV of my life - it's kind of ironic because my film library is worth probably 5-10 times as much as the screen I watch them on.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:05 (three months ago) link

Landlines were easier to have a conversation on because it was in real time. Cellphones have gotten better, but they're still bouncing audio off of metal towers like a pinball machine. Landlines were the technological final product of an evolution that began with two cans and a piece of string, and worked just fine.

I have the same tv remote problem with my microwave.

Are there really cars out there that combat drowsiness by not letting itself drift over any white or yellow line unless the blinker is on?] Because I will lose my shit, that's all there is to it.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:45 (three months ago) link

things have gotten a bit better, but even as the early playstation era was happening i remember thinking "wow it sucks that i have to wait 15 seconds for every other screen to load". that was in stark contrast to the near-instant load times of the cartridge based systems at the time and of the recent past.

of course, we were all more than willing to wait as long as it took to gedda load of them polygams

https://i.imgur.com/KKf0O1X.jpg

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:49 (three months ago) link

When you buy a new video game and it has to spend an assload of time downloading "updates" before you can play the fucking thing.

Also Denny's getting rid of the Breakfast Dagwood

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:00 (three months ago) link

like, just trying to see what the hourly weather forecast for tomorrow is involves a lot more clicking and waiting than it did a few years ago”

(since you’re not opposed to using google:) google “(city) weather” once, ctrl+h “wea” for every instance after

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:04 (three months ago) link

P much any form of watching tv now.

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:23 (three months ago) link

Are you guys saying landlines don't sound as good as they used to, or that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines? I agree with the latter, but as for the former, my landline still sounds great. I would never have a conversation on my cellphone unless I was away from home.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:30 (three months ago) link

We have a landline so we can put the number on paperwork, and for “just in case.” I think we turned the ringer off two years ago. It sits behind the dehumidifier in our master bedroom.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:55 (three months ago) link

xp saying that cellphones don't sound as good as landlines.

visiting, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:56 (three months ago) link

Coca Cola Freestyle machines. Ok...i love em. But...

Soda fountains in the past, usually your biggest problem was the soda came out flat because the bag needed to be changed. So maybe your number one choice isn't available, but other stuff is. Also, multiple people can fill their shit at the same time.

But with these fuckin machines, if you are unlucky enough to go to a store with only one machine, you gotta wait behind the dummy who can't figure it out.

Then when you get there, sometimes they're out of like every diet product, but you don't find out until you click on it and try to pour it, it stops, and greys out.

And then sometimes the shit just malfunctions and nobody in the restaurant knows how to fix it because they gotta call some help line. And if none of the machines work, you gotta wait in kine and get someone at the counter to pour you a drink

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:23 (three months ago) link

iPod clickwheel RIP

iPod classic RIP, I am just never going to be one of those people who wants to listen to music on their phone (it doesn’t sound as good and I can’t anticipate what I want go listen to at any one time enough to have stuff downloaded on Spotify. Maybe I like the misery of separate devices.)

Not to say it didn’t happen before, because it did, but I have to browse online through various plugins and stuff to block all the shitty little trackers so I don’t have to be followed around online by anything I looked at. Facebook login pages on everything are definitely a step backwards.

On that note, the continuing erosion of anonymous/pseudonymous space online. This is bad and people will realise how bad when it’s eventually gone.

And the reduction in diversity of websites/content in general - seems like most people hang out on the same spaces/apps and that’s a big reduction in choice and handing over control to a few large companies.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:26 (three months ago) link

Oh and inspired by Neanderthal’s post just now! Automated airport bag drops - just an awful scourge and take far more time than having someone check the suitcase and slap the sticker on it for you. Goes double if you’re stuck behind people who are confused by this (naturally). Waited fifteen minutes behind a family checking in three suitcases the other day - there should have been staff to help them.

gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:29 (three months ago) link

I am terrible at affixing the tag that prints out to my own bag. They always have to redo it.

i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:31 (three months ago) link

Neanderthal otm re soda machines. I hate those things to the point where I won’t eat at places that use them. Or if I do then def pass on a drink. I think they change the flavor of the drinks too.

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:55 (three months ago) link

I will never forget the day I dropped a newly fully loaded 256gb ipod classic between a Montreal subway car and platform, instantly assuring its doom

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:09 (three months ago) link

Flat screen TVs all sound terrible and require a sound bar or audio system

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:30 (three months ago) link

The smartphone/battery issue annoys me so much (especially as an IPhone user).
If you’re out for meetings/conferences etc a half day, you’re basically done.
I like their design and all (although I don’t like the big ass big screens, circa iPhone 5 it was fine for me) but it requires to also carry a power plug/alt battery at all time so not really an improvement ...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:48 (three months ago) link

I really miss those trackballs that bolted onto the side of a laptop and which you controlled with your thumb. I am hopeless at pointing and clicking with a trackpad.

Also, trains with doors that can only be opened when the driver releases them and windows that can't be opened at all.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 07:08 (three months ago) link

Flat screen TVs all sound terrible and require a sound bar or audio system

not mine - Sony A1E uses actuators so that the screen is a speaker and there is a small subwoofer in the stand, it sounds pretty excellent (and I am fussy)

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 07:25 (three months ago) link

This is what I get for trying something new.

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 November 2019 15:06 (one week ago) link

When i shake someone's hand and it's soapy, i always know who couldn't get the sensor to work

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 November 2019 15:30 (one week ago) link

the case for never washing your hands is only getting stronger

actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 November 2019 15:32 (one week ago) link

Imo BYOS

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 November 2019 15:32 (one week ago) link

One thing it took me a long time to realize is that most sensor-activated faucets work better if you simply hold your hands still in front of the sensor instead of waving them.

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:37 (one week ago) link

How about kicking them hard, does that help

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:58 (one week ago) link

we'll just all have an easier time if we learn to serve the machines, guys

maffew12, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:59 (one week ago) link

Best thing to do is stay perfectly still. If you startle the sensor it may summon a security bear

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:01 (one week ago) link

we're through the restroom glass people

maffew12, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:08 (one week ago) link

I stayed at an airbnb that apparently had a motion light in the bathroom! I had to wave my arm to let it know I was still on the toilet.

― mh, Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:01 AM (yesterday)

i think it was akm a while back who posted about it, but some of these things are now written into building codes to be "energy efficient" -- maybe this is some Berkeley, CA specific thing, because I don't think this is a requirement in Oakland (the next city over, same county)

sarahell, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:21 (one week ago) link

Smacking the faucets doesn't work, but smacking the sensor paper towel dispensers absolutely does work, without fail!

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:28 (one week ago) link

abuse yr appliances before they can abuse you

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:29 (one week ago) link

i know this might be overgeneralizing a bit, but in response to OP, can i submit the entirety of the years 2000-present? basically this whole century so far.

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:30 (one week ago) link

falling down the stairs is not a "backward" step, exactly, but it is still bad

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:30 (one week ago) link

this fucking headphone jack thing i think about very often, that was a dumb move apple

marcos, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:32 (one week ago) link

I just watched a man eat a sandwich on YouTube and I'm having complex thoughts

maffew12, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:34 (one week ago) link

I seen a man die

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:35 (one week ago) link

the continuing erosion of anonymous/pseudonymous space online. This is bad and people will realise how bad when it’s eventually gone.

― gyac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:26 (three months ago)

meaulnes, Thursday, 14 November 2019 23:35 (one week ago) link

i think it was akm a while back who posted about it, but some of these things are now written into building codes to be "energy efficient"

yah this is starting to bubble up here http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2019/11/complaints-at-broadway-building-part-of-pushback-over-adding-smart-lock-and-home-automation-tech-to-apartments/

alomar lines, Friday, 15 November 2019 05:58 (one week ago) link

Regarding the various sensors and systemps in public bathrooms' sinks nowadays, it's become so complex to find out which system you're facing (hand sensors located in various places, foot button, leg bar, actual thing to touch/turn/push on the faucet, etc).
Often it takes me a little while to understand what to do (and often I have to help people besides me who can't find out) !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 15 November 2019 09:28 (one week ago) link

My auxiliary toilet across the street at the Convention Center flushes each time I make a motion. I can see why these things are in there for possible health reasons, but don't even try to bring the environment into it.

We've got two paper towel rollers in our restroom that are sensor-controlled. So now, not only are we killing trees, but we're using lithium or whatever to distribute them. Best part is when the battery goes in and none of us can dry our hands properly.

The day I see this done on a toilet paper dispenser, I'm just going to ... shit.

pplains, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:48 (one week ago) link

Where's the thread asking us to guess an artist's discography using visually similar images of the album covers on Google Image Search?

― Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

That was a fun thread! No idea what it was called.

― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, November 15, 2019 6:21 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Recognize Discographies from Approximate Colour Schemes! (an ILM cover game)

― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, November 15, 2019 7:29 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I just went and tried to use GIS visually similar images to see if this could be replicated, but unfortunately they just gave me back 100 pictures of the same album cover.

― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, November 15, 2019 7:42 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

technological/practical "backward steps" strike again

― weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino)

from a different thread. otm. Google Image Search legitimately became much worse this decade. i once used it every single day, usually several times. i loved it. then they gradually ruined it, one update at a time.

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:13 (one week ago) link

It's fairly fascinating how shitty Google has become... I mean, I know they have commitments to their shareholders, but all of their once cutting-edge services are now shadows of their former selves.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:22 (one week ago) link

their ability to collect data on everything we do seems to be in good shape, though

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:22 (one week ago) link

"user 23402342304823048234_AKA_Z_S appears to be using GIS less and whining about it on a daily basis on an internet forum. assign bill maher ads to Z_S and monitor situation"

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:23 (one week ago) link

lollin'

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:35 (one week ago) link

I wholeheartedly agree about the shitness of Google.
The decline of GIS was hastened by Pinterest

kinder, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:13 (one week ago) link

Google image search is a weird tool as it now seems to be precision engineered to prevent you doing what you want to do with it.

Bing is a bit better.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 November 2019 20:26 (one week ago) link

Amazon's method of content delivery to the Library and registering devices is all sorts of ass-backwards

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:25 (three days ago) link

I live abroad, and in the pre-Skype days calling my folks used to be a simple matter of typing in a phonecard number plus their landline (I'm shocked I used to have about 26 digits memorized, btw). The calls were usually nice and clear, no fiddling about, talking to one family member at a time. But today requires first texting 'Skype?' then waiting for them to log on, then a protracted period of 'turn on your video/hit the unmute button/I can't see your face/I didn't get that/etc.', and then the call itself is choppy as shit because either their or my internet connection is poor. And they both try to cram their faces in the screen but I always only get my mother's right eye and my father's left eye -- never the full faces at once. (My in-laws are even worse -- my wife is lucky if she gets the tops of their heads and the portrait of Jesus Christ on the wall behind them.)

I mean it's great when it all works, and it's free, and it means my family can see my little kids playing, but the experience is so incredibly worse than talking on a landline used to be.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:35 (yesterday) link

isn't this what facebook's Portal is meant to solve? 1000 muppets cannot be wrong.

koogs, Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:43 (yesterday) link

light bulbs that don't turn on instantly.

not exactly backwards but i remember back in the 90s looking forward to a future when computers have more power and i won't have to wait so long for software to boot up and do things but this is something that has never really changed.

visiting, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:00 (yesterday) link

hm

deems of internment (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:17 (yesterday) link

maybe you're not using the right computers? The difference between booting up off an SSD and how it used to be is huge.

dan selzer, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:20 (yesterday) link

The days of waiting for Deskmate to load on my Tandy

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:22 (yesterday) link

I actually love my current car's level of phone integration (music, podcasts, navigation, messages, calls) but it tends to take a block or so to boot up.

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:24 (yesterday) link

I obsessively delete your phones from the memory of rental cars and dealership loaners, fyi.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:30 (yesterday) link

Thank you for your service.

pplains, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:34 (yesterday) link

in London 3G is more reliable than 4G on my network.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:50 (yesterday) link

I can't imagine needing a phone that does faster than 3g. Better on battery, too.

maffew12, Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:52 (yesterday) link

london mobile infrastructure - capacity and coverage - is appalling. regularly see foreigners incredulous at the patchiness of it.

Fizzles, Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:54 (yesterday) link

i frequently drop down to 3 or 2g if im only browsing text based stuff (hello) in the city centre

deems of internment (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 November 2019 18:40 (yesterday) link


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