We all know that Picard's unyielding lack of complexity is at the core of his enduring popularity.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
I'm surprised Roddenberry didn't insist he have a heroic catchphrase. 'Jean-Luc out, here comes Picard!'
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
Um. Engage?
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
Not heroic enough imo. Maybe like 'engage that shit' while he slides on some shades to the accompaniment of chugging guitars.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
I think i've mentioned the time i was on the men's room line at the theatre w/ Patrick Stewart, but didn't end up at the next urinal, where i wd've intoned "Make it so, Number One."
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
tbh I can't imagine that you would like DS9 at all Morbz
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
Yeah, if you're primarily a fan of TOS, it bears little resemblance. Very good but quite different.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
does anyone want to explain to me what is going on with the Tribbles ep img with O'Brien inserted into it upthread
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
i don't require it to be a clone of the first series
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
fwiw I couldn't make it past the first episode, and you know how low my standards are
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
The first episode of a television series is usually its best, so that's a pretty fair assessment.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
idk if you really want to have this argument but I was not given the impression that the things that were the most objectionable about it (like, say, the lead's line readings) were remedied later on
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
Does the Medium piece talk about how Roddenberry also wanted half-naked guys in the background holding hands?
I actually like "Move Along Home"! I think that someone who gets with TOS would appreciate its silly camp.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
like, there was just nothing there that grabbed me, nothing that seemed like an interesting idea/no character that might develop into something interesting, and plenty of things I found actively irritating (Sisko, Ferengi etc.)
xps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
You'll be missing out on Wallace Shawn and Space Nurse Ratchedhttps://s.put.re/maPB9nTX.pnghttps://s.put.re/PmdfguRf.png
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
Like while on the one hand I can accept that your objections were enough to keep you from pursuing the series further, on the other hand recommending against watching a well-regarded television series on the basis of the one (1) episode you couldn't even make it all the way through is...what's the word? Oh, yes: challops.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link
As Philip notes, if you haven't even gotten around to seeing Vedek Winn and Garak and the evolution of Nog etc. etc. you might as well be saying 'don't watch this show why because I saw a commercial and it looked unintersting'.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
well-regarded television series
eh depends who you ask
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
not sure what you think Morbz would like about this series tbh
Did you read the post right after you wrote to Morbs where I agreed with you (not realizing you hadn't actually seen the show)
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
fair enough
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
anyway i'm a fan of Rene Auberjonois and Colm Meaney in other things
also there is a baseball episode
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
love me some Alex Siddig, that guy has been a valuable supporting actor in a lot of things over the years. he was the best thing about the worst part of Game of Thrones too (Dorne), which was an utter waste of his skill level and charisma.
― omar little, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
I agree with Οὖτις that Avery Brooks can be a bit off-putting with his weird line-reading, but if you can get past that the rest of the series is really great. One of the first golden-age-of-TV-style shows where there is a large over-arching plot, and the first Star Trek show to have any hints of darkness or doubt within the Federation.
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
I admit that I'm pretty deep into the Trek echo chamber but basically everyone praises DS9, especially for its structural ambitions.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
also there is a baseball episodei think this was the only one i skipped.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
probably still prefer the later tng seasons
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
There's also an episode that revolves around the 1951 Willie Mays rookie card.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
The baseball episode is actually really good, in a corny, sentimental way, even for someone likes me who knows almost nothing about it. It helps that it's right in the middle of long war arc, and it's clear that both the viewers and the characters need the temporary distraction it brings to all dark stuff they've been going through.And yeah, baseball features in other episodes too, because right from the start Captain Sisko is established as a major fan of the sport (which apparently isn't played much on Earth anymore in the 24th century).
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
Baseball only exists as a Fortnite DLC in the 24th century.
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
Avery Brooks is just very theatre.
He's a joy and my favourite captain.
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
It wouldn't be Star Trek if the principals didn't ignore the last several centuries of their history in forming cultural interests that are uniformly familiar to viewers in the 20th/21st Century.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:43 (four years ago) link
FTR, I get shakey's qualms inasmuch as the pilot is overlong and unwieldy and not a great entry point for people who aren't predisposed to jump headlong into a new Trek venture sight unseen. And if you don't stick around to the end, you miss the emotional payoff and best part of the episode. And, yeah, Brooks is sometimes a little much.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
iirc the the TNG pilot was much worse
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link
contains nothing as bafflingly inscrutable as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR1gdiuqAQs
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
TNG pilot has Q in it, which at least makes for an entertaining/watchable villain. Other stuff is stiff/stupid but that central conflict between Picard and Q in the pilot establishes a lot successfully imo.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
xpHe's talking to an incorporeal wormhole alien!
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
Also, the Bajoran mystical stuff is some of the least interesting material in the show imo so frontloading it like that probably wasn't the best idea.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
shakes, go watch 'Duet' and tell me this show still stinks.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
Ignore Shakey, Morbs, he's muddying the waters.
The only thing you need to know from the first episode is that:
- Sisko's wife was killed by the Borg (which happened in TNG), and he's raising his son on his own.- He's been sent to command a backwater space station (titular DS9), which makes him wonder if he should remain in Starfleet (his career is going nowhere).- Bajorans are another kind of Space Jew, and the Cardassians are Space Nazis. In fact, the station used to belong to the Cardassians, but the Federation is taking it over in the hopes of negotiating Bajor's entry into the Federation.- By the end of the episode, a wormhole suddenly opens up next to the station -- and living inside are noncorporeal aliens that Bajorans worship -- and Sisko is credited with its appearance. From now on, he's viewed as Bajor's Emissary (basically a prophet for renewing contact with Bajor's gods), and he likewise finds renewed purpose as a Starfleet officer.
That's from memory so I may have gotten some details wrong.
Also, be aware that the early seasons look butt-ugly (they haven't been remastered for HD and UHD screens).
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
The visual aesthetic of this show always struck me, I.e. still polished but it seemed to be an attempt at downplaying the visual interstellar glory prevalent in the previous series (which of course were journeying everywhere) but beyond that making it appear more working class and underfunded. This is just my memory from watching 25 years ago of course.
― omar little, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
The station was pointedly a run-down wreck early in the show. It kinda develops like Deadwood, a character unto itself.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
god I fuckin hate Q
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
excellent run about 2/3 of the way through season six: worf/dax in the jungle, kira and her mom, bashir meets section 31
(i know the next one is a favorite too, but i haven't watched it yet so shush)
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 August 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
Ah yes, the classic "Profit and Lace."
― William Tao Overture (Leee), Friday, 23 August 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
ayo my nerds have you all watched this?https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6332276/ira steven behr’s ~hideous~ goatee (and general “look”) notwithstanding, it’s v enjoyable
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
I plan to as soon as I have a couple furtive hours alone in my house
― DJI, Monday, 26 August 2019 00:47 (four years ago) link
just finished season 6 :'-(
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6332276/
ira steven behr’s ~hideous~ goatee (and general “look”) notwithstanding, it’s v enjoyable
My post has gotten buried already! I guess that's a good thing. Deep Space Nine: a thread for (re)watching this awesome series
― Melon Musk (Leee), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link
i just watched all of voyager so i guess i will watch this now, it's kind of relaxing watching crummy 90s tv, nothing too high-intensity, no worries about what it means
― j., Monday, 26 August 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link