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This article is about Adolf Hitler's dog. For similar names and related words, see Blondie.
Blondi
Bundesarchiv B 145 Bild-F051673-0059, Adolf Hitler und Blondi auf dem Berghof.jpg
Adolf Hitler holding Blondi on a leash.
Species Canis lupus familiaris
Breed German Shepherd
Sex Female
Born 1941
Died 29 April 1945
Nation from Germany
Owner Adolf Hitler
Offspring Wulf and four other pups
Blondi (1941 – 29 April 1945)[a][2] was Adolf Hitler's German Shepherd, a gift as a puppy[3][4] from Martin Bormann in 1941. Blondi stayed with Hitler even after his move into the Führerbunker located underneath the garden of the Reich Chancellery on 16 January 1945.[5]

Hitler was very fond of Blondi, keeping her by his side and allowing her to sleep in his bed in the bunker. According to Hitler's secretary Traudl Junge, this affection was not shared by Eva Braun, Hitler's companion, who preferred her two Scottish Terrier dogs named Negus and Stasi.

Blondi played a role in Nazi propaganda by portraying Hitler as an animal lover. Dogs like Blondi were coveted as "germanische Urhunde", being close to the wolf, and became very fashionable during the Nazi era.[6] On 29 April 1945, Hitler expressed doubts about the cyanide capsules he had received through Heinrich Himmler's SS.[7] To verify the capsules' potency, Hitler ordered Dr. Werner Haase to test one on Blondi, who died as a result.[8]

Contents
1 Blondi's puppies
2 Other dogs
3 Death of Blondi and other dogs
4 References
5 External links
Blondi's puppies
In March[9][10] or in early April[11][12] (likely 4 April)[13] 1945, she had a litter of five puppies with Gerdy Troost's German Shepherd, Harras. Hitler named one of the puppies "Wulf", his favorite nickname and the meaning of his own first name, Adolf ("noble wolf"),[14] and he began to train her.[15] One of Blondi's puppies was reserved for Eva Braun's sister Gretl. Eva sent Gretl a letter containing a photo of Blondi and three of her puppies, Gretl's being indicated with an arrow.[16]

Other dogs
During his military service in World War I, Hitler rescued a stray white Fox Terrier named "Fuchsl". Hitler had great affection for the dog, and, when he was not on duty at the front, he would spend much of his free time playing with the dog in the barracks. Hitler was profoundly distraught when he lost him.[17][18]

He had been given a German Shepherd before named "Prinz" in 1921, during his years of poverty, but he had been forced to lodge the dog elsewhere. However, she managed to escape and return to him. Hitler, who adored the loyalty and obedience of the dog, thereafter developed a great liking for the breed.[19]

He also owned a German Shepherd called "Muckl".[20] Before Blondi, Hitler had two German Shepherd dogs, a mother [born 1926] and daughter [born ca. 1930] – both named Blonda. In some photos taken during the 1930s the younger Blonda is incorrectly labeled as Blondi[13] (in most cases photograph descriptions were written later).

In May 1942, Hitler bought another young German Shepherd "from a minor official in the post office in Ingolstadt"[21] to keep Blondi company. He called her Bella.[22] According to Traudl Junge, Eva Braun was very fond of her two Scottish Terrier dogs named Negus and Stasi. She usually kept them away from Blondi.[23]

Death of Blondi and other dogs
During the course of 29 April 1945, Hitler learned of the death of his ally Benito Mussolini at the hands of Italian partisans. This, along with the fact the Soviet Red Army was closing in on his location, strengthened Hitler in his resolve not to allow himself or his wife to be captured. That afternoon, Hitler expressed doubts about the cyanide capsules he had received through Heinrich Himmler's SS.[24] By this point, Hitler regarded Himmler as a traitor. To verify the capsules' contents, Hitler—who already intended to have Blondi killed so that she did not fall into the hands of the Russians[25]—ordered Dr. Werner Haase to test one on Blondi, and the dog died as a result.[26] Hitler became completely inconsolable.[27]

According to a report commissioned by Joseph Stalin and based on eyewitness accounts, Hitler's dog-handler Feldwebel Fritz Tornow took Blondi's pups and shot them in the garden of the bunker complex on 30 April, after Hitler and Eva Braun committed suicide. He also killed Eva Braun's two dogs, Frau Gerda Christian's dogs, and his own dachshund. Tornow was later captured by the Allies.[28] Hitler's nurse, Erna Flegel, said in 2005 that Blondi's death had affected the people in the bunker more than Eva Braun's suicide.[29] After the battle in Berlin ended, the remains of Hitler, Braun, and two dogs (thought to be Blondi and her offspring Wulf) were discovered in a shell crater by a unit of SMERSH, the Soviet counter-intelligence agency.[30][31] The dog thought to be Blondi was exhumed and photographed by the Soviets.[32]

References
Informational notes

Some sources incorrectly suggest 1934 as Blondi's date of birth.[1]
Citations

Eatwell, Roger (1995). Fascism: A History. Chatto & Windus. p. 152.
Kershaw, Ian. Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. p. 252. ISBN 0-393-06757-2
Comfort, David (1994). The First Pet History of the World. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 247. ISBN 0-671-89102-2.
some sources suggest the Summer of 1942 (see: Wires, Richard (1985). Terminology of the Third Reich. Ball State University. p. 9.) or even February 1943 (see: timelines.ws Archived 14 November 2009 at the Wayback Machine)
Beevor, Antony (2002). Berlin: The Downfall 1945. Viking-Penguin Books. p. 139. ISBN 978-0-670-03041-5.
Sax, Boria (2000). Animals in the Third Reich: Pets, Scapegoats, and the Holocaust. Foreword by Klaus P. Fischer. New York and London: Continuum. ISBN 978-0-8264-1289-8.
Kershaw, Ian (2008). Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. pp. 951–952.
Kershaw, Ian. Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. p. 952.
Galante, Pierre; Silianoff, Eugène; Silianoff, Eugene (1989). Voices from the Bunker. New York, NY: G.P. Putnam's. p. 12. ISBN 0-399-13404-2.
Dekkers, Midas; Vincent, Paul (2000). Dearest Pet: On Bestiality. Verso. p. 171. ISBN 1-85984-310-7.
Eberle, Henrik and Uhl, Matthias, ed. (2005). The Hitler Book: The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin, New York: PublicAffairs, p. 188. ISBN 1-58648-366-8
Brush, Karen A. (2007). Everything Your Dog Expects You to Know. New Holland Publishers Ltd. p. 108. ISBN 1-84537-954-3.
"Distant Relatives". Abby K-9. March 2006. Archived from the original on 9 November 2007.
Bullock, Alan (1962). Adolf Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, Penguin Books, p. 785.
Kohler, Joachim; Taylor, Ronald K. (2001). Wagner's Hitler: The Prophet and His Disciple. Polity Press. p. 19. ISBN 0-7456-2710-2.
Gun, Nerin E. (1969). Eva Braun: Hitler's Mistress. Meredith Press. pp. 241, 246. ISBN 0-7456-2710-2.
Kershaw, Ian (1998). Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris. Penguin Press. ISBN 0-393-320359.
Giblin, James; Payne, Robert (2000). The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler. New York, Praeger [1973]. p. 20. ISBN 0-395-90371-8.
Beevor, Antony (2002). Berlin: The Downfall 1945. Viking-Penguin Books. p. 357. ISBN 978-0-670-03041-5.
von Schirach, Baldur (1967). Ich glaubte an Hitler. Mosaik Verlag. p. 106.
Goebbels' Diary, 30 May 1942: " He [Hitler] has bought himself a young German Shepherd dog called "Blondi" which is the apple of his eye. It was touching listening to him say that he enjoyed walking with this dog so much, because only with it could he be sure that [his companion] would not start talking about the war or politics. One notices time and time again that the Führer is slowly but surely becoming lonely. It is very touching to see him play with this young German Shepherd dog. The animal has grown so accustomed to him that it will hardly take a step without him. It is very nice to watch the Führer with his dog. At the moment the dog is the only living thing that is constantly with him. At night it sleeps at the foot of his bed, it is allowed into his sleeping compartment in the special train and enjoys a number of privileges...that no human would ever dare to claim. He bought the dog from a minor official in the post office in Ingolstadt."
Irving, David John Cawdell (1977). Hitler's war. New York: Viking Press. p. 328. ISBN 0-670-37412-1.
Junge, Traudl (2003). Until the Final Hour: Hitler's Last Secretary. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson. p. 77. ISBN 978-0-297-84720-5.
Kershaw, Ian (2008). Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. pp. 951–953. ISBN 0-393-06757-2
Gitta Sereny, Albert Speer: His Battle with the Truth, p. 528
Kershaw, Ian (2008). Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. p. 952. ISBN 0-393-06757-2
O'Donnell, James (1978). The Bunker: The History of the Reich Chancellery Group. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. p. 166. ISBN 0-395-25719-0.
Eberle, Henrik and Uhl, Matthias, ed. (2005). The Hitler Book: The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin, New York: PublicAffairs, p. 273. ISBN 1-58648-366-8
Harding, Luke. "Hitler's nurse breaks 60 years of silence", The Guardian, May 2, 2005.
Beevor, Antony (2002). Berlin: The Downfall 1945. Viking-Penguin Books. p. 399. ISBN 978-0670030415.
According to the autopsy, both dogs were shot and Blondi was killed by poison. Some sources say that Wolf was killed with the other puppies in the Chancellery garden (see Moorhouse, Roger (2007). Killing Hitler: The Plots, The Assassins, and the Dictator Who Cheated Death. Bantam. p. 323. ISBN 0-553-38255-1.).
Le Tissier, Tony (1992). Berlin Then and Now, After the Battle. ISBN 978-0900913723
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is there just not the turnover to support trolling on ilx anymore?

i think this is it. trolling on ilx in 2019 is like taking your shirt off in the middle of dinner

Bulletproof moderation system

thats a lovely image but im no wiser for it km

How else are you going to wipe the Chef Boyardee smears from your chin

what i'm saying is, it's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife

you can take your shirt off in the middle of dinner, but it's so much harder to pull off in small gatherings. come on, we all know this timeless analogy

It's like meeting the man of your dreams
And realizing he's a Juggalo

all the grandpas are trolls now

Petey Pablo assured us it was ok to do at any time, KM. As long as you helicoptered that shit.

I don't make the rules, I only disobey them.

in 2019 everyone is trolling

i see i am not the first to think of "they see me trolling"

in fact i see that there are several songs about it

you can take your shirt off in the middle of dinner, but it's so much harder to pull off in small gatherings

as in, you are wearing a different kind of shirt in small gatherings? I would think it would be easier to literally pull off your shirt, assuming it would be less likely to be a button down?

am i being trolled

are you all socks trolling me

i c&p-ed the wikipedia entry for Hitler's dog, what more do you want?

https://hero.fandom.com/wiki/Carl_Winslow?file=FB405527-600E-4EB7-9BE4-BE87E69DA457.jpeg

in 2019 everyone is trolling

― Mordy, Monday, August 12, 2019 3:43 PM (eleven minutes ago)

its so prevalent that we dont even notice it now

wait are you trolls whats happening

you can take your shirt off in the middle of dinner, but it's so much harder to pull off in small gatherings

--

as in, you are wearing a different kind of shirt in small gatherings? I would think it would be easier to literally pull off your shirt, assuming it would be less likely to be a button down?

lol, i actually just meant "pull off" as in "successfully do something", but serendipity has led us down a new road!

i do have an answer prepared for this, but i need to wait and see how dmac weighs in on this important issue

as in to get away with it or to actually perform the physical act

as the nun said to the bishop

you wouldnt be

trolling

me, now would you km

Yikes, oh no, not at all!
Everyone knows this board is way too small to do something like that, these days
Still, best to be on one's guard

*meanwhile, some hapless civil servant is waiting for dmac to approve her time sheet*

three sheets to the wind-up

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f5/6a/91/f56a91f00bb33e95ea2eca78e57e5ec7.jpg

is this post about that kid who walked into a wal-mart in missouri with his gun and tactical vest because, gun rights

Posting this as it's a classic bit of trolling and a good explainer for the 'sarahell used to troll' thing which I hadn't previously got.

every time i look up an ILE thread about a movie i liked, 90% of the thread consists of 3-5 of the same posters saying "this was terrible"

― marcos, Monday, 5 May 2014 18:46 (Yesterday) Bookmark

I think the Grand Budapest Hotel movie was the only time this did not happen.

― Mark G, Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:29 AM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

someone liked that piece of shit?

― sarahell, Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:09 AM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats a pun not a troll imo

that's not a pun

deems how is that a pun

are you having a stroke

ok not a pun, a wisecrack, a punchline

i mean how is it trolling

dmac this is nancy in department 19F - can you approve my timesheet when you get a moment? Thanks!

where did this timesheet thing start

am i being trolled

i work for you

have you even read any of my monthly reports? if you don't have access to the sharepoint folder just let me know, but i have been asking you to review these since 2016

i am considering a skip level meeting to address this

dmac, it's trolling because Mark G and marcos are saying how they hate film threads because people always say bad things about films they like, then sarahell calls the single example they give a "piece of shit" with no further comment. It's funny and it's a bit mean and you cannot tell if it's serious or not, this is what trolling is like, obv explaining it to death does not make it more funny, but anyway

i really dont think thats trolling because its quite obviously a punchline to that exchange?

sorry km i just got sidetracked with this discussion I'll be right over to you on those um those reports

deems forgetting what a pun actually is makes a lot of things suddenly make so much sense

hi wins

do you think thats a troll or a handy punchline from sarahell there iyo

The hitler dog thing? That’s a spoonerism

dog wins law

i really dont think thats trolling because its quite obviously a punchline to that exchange?

deems we're getting a ping from analytics indicating a 3.5% possibility increase to the idea that up to 20% of what you think are punchlines may have been trolls. i would get a team working on this but i'm not even sure i'm getting paid now

is fucking salesforce down again

i signed that shee

wait is this june or july

rolling trolling payrolling thread

The most beautiful thing about this thread is deems trolling everyone into thinking he doesn't know what trolling is

Nancy - I have the salesforce rep on the line, and there is a problem with the microservices stack

as always I started genuine and ye got the worse out of me

fucking workflow scheduler piece od shit *weeps*

(in general a lot of what gets called "bot" posting is just people using twitter in a non-extremely online techie way, or using it as a way to post/bookmark links; meanwhile the actual, confirmed russian trolls include shit like "I Am Ass")

Everyone with a BSc degree can claim to be "scientists".

And plenty who don’t, for instance me, a scientist

Musk has a BS in Physics,which makes him uniquely qualified to comment on everything

It's the fabric of the universe, mang.

I actually think burrito generation might be a new troll

nope not a troll! I've been an off-and-on ilxr since around 9/11. was del griffith before I impulsively decided to ditch that handle a few months ago. I liked Karl's paint sale fundraiser idea, and I do like me a good donation match opportunity, and I did like the paintings too, but I've got enough of those at home already so I thought I'd see if I could use my donation for something a little more unique/creative/provocative. it's not because the handle Karl Malone offends me personally, but it does have a vaguely questionable ironic lol flavor to it especially in a social justice context you've gotta agree! more the sort of thing you'd expect of a 4channer or a boogaloo boi. and no I'm not certain how the dynamic would change if you were black or I was black, cause we're not.

anyway, $100 was sent with the intent you'll match it and send it on to your chosen bail fund.

That clears up a lot! Thank you.

oh christ, del griffith, that explains yr terrible posts

oh christ, del griffith, that explains yr terrible posts

chow down on my anus you stupid idiot

so it seems like the two of you are already acquainted

xp - terrible riposte

del griffith, thank you for your donation. i will put it toward the fundraiser now. i explained my thinking on the name and the man in the other thread, so i don't know what to tell you.

well I don't know who that is cause I'm the burrito that defined a generation and not del griffith but hey right on that's cool don't worry about it! I'm glad those moneys found a home

chow down on my anus you stupid idiot

― the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:22 AM bookmarkflaglink

lol yr sub-ethan burns are cuet

well this is all very awkward

RHONDA!!!!!!

https://i.imgur.com/EFxgxQ6.jpg

Rong thraed

Or is it?

Phil Collins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-Hj73ES2U

watch yourself or you're going to get a temp

i watched 2 minutes of that and there was no sexual content - thanks for trolling the trolling thread

dennis turned out to be a more boring and stupid fella than anticipated tbpfh

?

Rhonda get the fUCK in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbg3fAE2SU

?

For whom the bell trolls?

Loose definition there: "saying a thing that stands up to no logic scrutiny or could even be a sincere belief beyond the desire to get a rise out of people you don't like"

― uptown top tanking (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:12 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok we have baseline

ty for yr service nv

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:14 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean I don't hold with hard definitions in general but baseline, yeah, that's something like a baseline

― uptown top tanking (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:15 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Next level of complexity is that the sincerity of the troll's statements should always be on some level plausible, like it's just possible a Swinson is so tied into her bubble that she cannot see the logical dishonesty there

― uptown top tanking (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:17 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

gonna have to unpick that one maybe

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:20 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe not the thread to go deep into that specific example but roughly "I cannot support this candidate with a number of obvious qualifications for temporary leader of the government but hey I had a word with a couple of absolutely unqualified chums and wouldn't they be much better choices?"

― HOOS on first (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:23 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Now either she *knows* why they're ludicrous suggestions or she's so deep in her own game she can't see the ludicrousness. The outside observer's uncertainty is a very troll-like situation

― HOOS on first (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:25 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Schrödinger stuff, from outside yes

but does it rely on whether or not *she* is aware of the ludicrous uncertainty in order to be trolling (as i type it out it seems obvious that it does)

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:27 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

"a thing that stands up to no logic scrutiny or could even be a sincere belief beyond the desire to get a rise out of people" depends a lot on the individual oftentimes u have two ppl who both think the other person is trolling bc neither are capable of imagining a different perspective

― Mordy, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:28 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think it does because death of the author and as Burroughs might've described it the troll inside

― HOOS on first (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:29 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Intentionality is not being taken into account this season, it's about whether the hand or arm are in an "unnatural" position IIRC.

― Tim, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:29 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

xp

yeah sure Mordy but to the extent I'm engaging with this in good faith it is very much about perspective, social context, history and the speakers' knowledge of one another, like all language really

― HOOS on first (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:31 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

you will ofc be aware that in such a designation the other variable is the observer's capacity for befuddlement

allow me to further muddy water by suggesting an advance troll technique:

the observer so puzzled by whether or not something is a troll or not that any third party onlooker (and indeed the original subject, the suspected troll themselves) might wonder whether or not the perplexed-possible-trollée is not infact a faux-trolled-troll

fuckit mordy got in there

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:32 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol tim

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:32 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think to troll one must be on at least some level intending to troll, so i disagree nv

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:33 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

we shall, possibly, have to lurk under that bridge when we come to it

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:33 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

For there to be trolling, intent is paramount. Except, of course, the most successful specimens rely on the trollee's structural inability to reliably decipher the troll's exact intentions. In other words, the best trolling may or may not be an instance of trolling at all.

Apologies for restating the obvious.

xps

― pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:33 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Feel like an essential component of trolling is the ethos that self-amusement/-satisfaction > comity.

― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:34 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

eh yes and no

the intent is from the pov of the troll and therefore, while it can be unknown from outside, it can never have an actual value of unknown

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:35 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

The heart of it is in here somewhere, maybe

We don’t need two people doing these shit revives, tbh

we need more

it is *very* important to not fall in love with martin shkreli

Easier said than done.

are we really going back to the viking thing?

lol

(i feel the same way)

I feel comfortable stating that nobody, when first confronted with the phrase "that's where I'm a Viking", has ever sincerely believed that "to be a Viking" is an extant phrase implying excellence

NV, I can see that you have a good deal of insight into the workings of other people's brains, it's a field in which you excel, in fact.

what about sentences such as "when it comes to raiding and looting Irish monasteries, that's where I'm a Viking!"

#notonethread

Hate speech is it

Still think the heart of it was in there somewhere

A+ trolling here, written well enough to make people angry without being over the top

question for the ladies- do you check your man’s phone?? 🤔 would he let you??? 🤔 i explained to my man early on that in order to trust him i would be doing random daily phone checks❤️ happy 3 weeks baby pic.twitter.com/2plFyIXMDK

— Grace (@gracecamille_) March 2, 2021

why u coming home
5 in the morn

yanks cap makes this

I’ve already told my partner the calming effects of Martin Clunes GIS searches, I’ve got nothing to hide

I wouldn't trust a dude enough to announce that I was going to do "random daily phone checks" ... that's like announcing DUI checkpoints, if they're smart enough they'll go around them, and if they're stupid enough not to know, then they're not someone I'd want to be with romantically

best response

I went thru an SO's phone once, but only bc I suspected he was cheating. I was right and my sister, who was house-sitting for us while we were traveling to a wedding, almost trashed his house to avenge me, but I told her not to. We broke up about a yr later but are still friends

— ndr Chrpntr (@quo_vadis_83) March 2, 2021