I totally believe Epstein took his own life, considering the crimes he's charged with and having been abandoned by his powerful friends on both sides, with basically no chance at this point that any one of them would step forward to give him an assist, and with the prospect of being paraded out for a lengthy and humiliating trial...it makes sense. Aaron Hernandez had just been acquitted of a double homicide and was iirc in the process of working towards an appeal of his first homicide conviction, and he killed himself. OJ was *perhaps* on the cusp of killing himself when he thought it was curtains for him, didn't follow through, and wound up getting away with it and seems to have not really had other suicidal inclinations since then. i don't know, very different examples i guess. but similar in some ways. A lifetime spent in prison or just the probability of it, let alone one's reputation being permanently destroyed, or simply losing everything, all of that does things to people. i also imagine he had been living a psychologically fraught existence ever since he began to realize he might wind up actually paying for it after getting away with it for so long.
― omar little, Monday, 12 August 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
Feel like that c.v. could make for a good erroll morris movie
Mr. Death II: This Time It's Impersonal
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
on one hand, epstein could have been a high value person to prosecute
gross, dude
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 00:39 (four years ago) link
he wasn't in an inpatient facility, he was in jail
― gbx, Monday, 12 August 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
Well.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
“Something doesn’t smell right – and it’s not his dead body,” Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.
interesting moment to try out yr tight five
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
corpsed
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:12 (four years ago) link
u guys sure know how to spend a Sunday
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:15 (four years ago) link
beats church.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
when u point a finger at the guys in a thraed, four fingers are pointing back at u
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:46 (four years ago) link
applies only to Hound Dog Taylor iirc
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 12 August 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
again, are there normally cameras in the cells? doesn't sound like it. surprise, jails are all fucked up
― akm, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
I'm willing to give Epstein enough of a superiority complex that when he saw no logical way out, especially after Friday's document dump of names, he exercised the "they'll never take me alive" option. I'm also willing to give the guards/BOP enough built-up disdain for this worthless piece of shit that the faster he's out of the system the better.
Admittedly this is a variation of my JFK assassination theory where Lee Harvey Oswald does in fact go to Mexico City, tells everyone there that he's going to kill the president, only to be met with shrugs from the station chiefs ("angry dude outside says he's going to kill the president - do you care? hell, no. i don't care. my job will be better without him anyway")
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 12 August 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link
Cosigning the above.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2019 03:44 (four years ago) link
let it be noted the system is gross, to me all criminals prosecuted by the rules
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 12 August 2019 04:09 (four years ago) link
Dont feel like I'm angrily shouting at people itt? But w/e. The twitter thread (by a writer informed in that field) goes into great detail about how suicide watch works in in-patient facilities, something that many ppl itt obviously didnt know about before posting stuff like "the fact that he wasnt on 24/7 watch is telling evidence that someone wanted him dead" or "hm he was taken off suicide watch and then coincidentally killed himself? v sus, obvious intentionality at play behind his death", which is the essential logic behind a great majority of the conspiracy-friendly posts itt. If you think it's "not exactly media literate" to not give equal weight to the foster the people dude then w/e, i dunno what to tell you.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 12. august 2019 01:16 (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Like literally that thread contains the key information that many posters are referring to when they say "I'm not saying its a conspiracy but there certainly are a lot of strange unanswered questions about what happened"
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 12. august 2019 01:22 (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
The twitter account isn't even verified, you honestly don't know at all who made it. I also assume it's all legit, but none of us knows. That's what I'm saying wrt literacy. Defeating conspiracies means finding information from trust-worthy sources (and making notice when sources turn out to be not trustworthy at all) not looking at a twitter thread that seems to know what it says, and then being mad at other people.
― Frederik B, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:39 (four years ago) link
Lol yes it’s true, she is not even verified, thx for the media literacy lesson
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 12 August 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
where's Verrit when you need them?
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 12 August 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
Attorney General Bill Barr on the suicide of accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein: "Let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein. Any co-conspirators should not rest easy" https://t.co/O0OFAg3xyj pic.twitter.com/nZLWpjMhGF— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 12, 2019
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
the old standard or the 2019 standard
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 12 August 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
sad lol
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
One more wrinkle that I don't recall seeing before
In addition, because Mr. Epstein may have tried to commit suicide three weeks earlier, he was supposed to have had another inmate in his cell, three officials said. But the jail had recently transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone, a decision that also violated the jail’s procedures, the two officials said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
yeah I’d heard that - wouldn’t be the first time jail employees didn’t follow procedure, esp for a high profile prisoner
― Vape Store (crüt), Monday, 12 August 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
But Mr. Young said he was certain that Mr. Epstein was in the cell alone — and nearly certain Mr. Epstein had a cellmate after he was removed from suicide watch.“I can tell you it is unequivocal that he was in a cell by himself,” Mr. Young said. “I can tell you Epstein didn’t have anyone in the room with him when he committed suicide.”
“I can tell you it is unequivocal that he was in a cell by himself,” Mr. Young said. “I can tell you Epstein didn’t have anyone in the room with him when he committed suicide.”
guys, do we have a missing cellmate?
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 12 August 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
where is that italian quadruple murder ex-cop guy
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
shocking news
Justice officials have now uncovered broader problems at the MCC. It’s not clear what else has been found but, it goes beyond the 24 hours before Epstein’s death. Justice officials say the MCC has suffered a breakdown in protocols for a period that goes back years. @evanperez— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) August 12, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 August 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
Sorry, USA, but the MCC can only mean one thing, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone_Cricket_Club
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Monday, 12 August 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
They're not wrong though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT4qObpOzeI
― crumhorn invasion (Matt #2), Monday, 12 August 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
this new NY Times piece links him to Elon Musk and Tesla, because why fucking not
https://archive.is/qLDp2
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
The desperate pleas of a narcissist being left out to dry
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 12 August 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
lmao, xpost there
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link
“I kept trying to steer the conversation back to Tesla, but Mr. Epstein remained evasive. He said he’d spoken to the Saudis about possibly investing in Tesla, but he wouldn’t provide any specifics or names. When I pressed him on the purported email from Mr. Musk, he said the email wasn’t from Mr. Musk himself, but from someone very close to him. He wouldn’t say who that person was. I asked him if that person would talk to me, and he said he’d ask. He later said the person declined; I doubt he asked.”
GRIMES WHAT DO YOU KNOW
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 12 August 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
jeffrey 'actually it's ephebophilia' epstein didn't live long enough to become the libertarian party candidate in 2020 pic.twitter.com/KBMbu6F8FX— ☭🕷️🐬The Antifada🐬🕷️☭ (@the_antifada) August 12, 2019
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 12 August 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
even milquetoast centrists are getting radicalized
I don’t even have a theory to fill out a conspiracy theory with, but it’s wild that Bill Barr’s dad hired young college dropout Jeffrey Epstein to be a high school calculus teacher.— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 12, 2019
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
can someone decode this for me
NEW YORK (AP) — AP source: One of Jeffrey Epstein's guards the night he hanged himself wasn't a correctional officer.— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) August 13, 2019
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link
They didn't want to pay a real CO so some lower ranking person who does the same job but is paid less was doing it.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link
Ahh, gotcha. Conspiracy brain wants to know if that's a common practice in federal lockup but I assume that'll get discussed at some point
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:34 (four years ago) link
Lower risk inmates do rounds/watch camera feeds.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:09 (four years ago) link
Tbc I needed it decoded because that sentence was also the entire content of the AP story!
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
^ At least on the night shift.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
lol I just noticed the end date on this poll is 9/11
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 05:07 (four years ago) link
I assumed that was intentional. But haven't set up a poll so don't know how the date's set.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 08:40 (four years ago) link
Yglesias hasn't been milquetoast for years, though.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
wow, huge if true
Okay, so this seems like the first lead in this Epstein suicide story pic.twitter.com/RORJ3k0nGh— Justin Halpern (@justin_halpern) August 13, 2019
― (Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
The greatest trick Steve Jail ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.— A Choral Hexed Eleventh (@AHEveleth) August 13, 2019
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
When I saw that my first thought was that it had to be a parody account. It's so far out.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:21 (four years ago) link
What was your next thought
― YouGov to see it (wins), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
'More coffee'
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
CBS News has learned that the morning of Jeffrey Epstein's death there was shouting and shrieking from his jail cell. Guards attempted to revive him while saying "breathe, Epstein, breathe."Congress is the latest to start investigating Epstein's apparent suicide over the weekend, with new reports raising questions about the federal jail where he was being held. One of Epstein's guards at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on the night he died was reportedly not a regular corrections officer.(...)With Epstein gone, potential co-conspirators involved in his alleged sex-trafficking network are shifting into focus. British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell is one of four women accused of recruiting underage girls for sex. She's denied those claims in the past and has not been charged with a crime. Maxwell is said to be Epstein's ex-girlfriend turned business associate. Her current location is unknown.
Congress is the latest to start investigating Epstein's apparent suicide over the weekend, with new reports raising questions about the federal jail where he was being held. One of Epstein's guards at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on the night he died was reportedly not a regular corrections officer.
(...)
With Epstein gone, potential co-conspirators involved in his alleged sex-trafficking network are shifting into focus. British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell is one of four women accused of recruiting underage girls for sex. She's denied those claims in the past and has not been charged with a crime. Maxwell is said to be Epstein's ex-girlfriend turned business associate. Her current location is unknown.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=71953138
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link
Nothing to see here...
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link