the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

It's all cool

certainly seems to be the case now that this jail was a fucked up mess of administrative shittiness which is probably true for every fucking jail and prison in america

Xxp That’s hysterical. Feel like that c.v. could make for a good erroll morris movie

Wonder if anyone tried anything with Chapo all the time he was being held in the same cell block.

I totally believe Epstein took his own life, considering the crimes he's charged with and having been abandoned by his powerful friends on both sides, with basically no chance at this point that any one of them would step forward to give him an assist, and with the prospect of being paraded out for a lengthy and humiliating trial...it makes sense. Aaron Hernandez had just been acquitted of a double homicide and was iirc in the process of working towards an appeal of his first homicide conviction, and he killed himself. OJ was *perhaps* on the cusp of killing himself when he thought it was curtains for him, didn't follow through, and wound up getting away with it and seems to have not really had other suicidal inclinations since then. i don't know, very different examples i guess. but similar in some ways. A lifetime spent in prison or just the probability of it, let alone one's reputation being permanently destroyed, or simply losing everything, all of that does things to people. i also imagine he had been living a psychologically fraught existence ever since he began to realize he might wind up actually paying for it after getting away with it for so long.

Feel like that c.v. could make for a good erroll morris movie

Mr. Death II: This Time It's Impersonal

on one hand, epstein could have been a high value person to prosecute

gross, dude

he wasn't in an inpatient facility, he was in jail

Well.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/

“Something doesn’t smell right – and it’s not his dead body,” Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.

interesting moment to try out yr tight five

corpsed

u guys sure know how to spend a Sunday

beats church.

when u point a finger at the guys in a thraed, four fingers are pointing back at u

applies only to Hound Dog Taylor iirc

again, are there normally cameras in the cells? doesn't sound like it. surprise, jails are all fucked up

I'm willing to give Epstein enough of a superiority complex that when he saw no logical way out, especially after Friday's document dump of names, he exercised the "they'll never take me alive" option. I'm also willing to give the guards/BOP enough built-up disdain for this worthless piece of shit that the faster he's out of the system the better.

Admittedly this is a variation of my JFK assassination theory where Lee Harvey Oswald does in fact go to Mexico City, tells everyone there that he's going to kill the president, only to be met with shrugs from the station chiefs ("angry dude outside says he's going to kill the president - do you care? hell, no. i don't care. my job will be better without him anyway")

Cosigning the above.

let it be noted the system is gross, to me all criminals prosecuted by the rules

Dont feel like I'm angrily shouting at people itt? But w/e. The twitter thread (by a writer informed in that field) goes into great detail about how suicide watch works in in-patient facilities, something that many ppl itt obviously didnt know about before posting stuff like "the fact that he wasnt on 24/7 watch is telling evidence that someone wanted him dead" or "hm he was taken off suicide watch and then coincidentally killed himself? v sus, obvious intentionality at play behind his death", which is the essential logic behind a great majority of the conspiracy-friendly posts itt. If you think it's "not exactly media literate" to not give equal weight to the foster the people dude then w/e, i dunno what to tell you.

― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 12. august 2019 01:16 (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Like literally that thread contains the key information that many posters are referring to when they say "I'm not saying its a conspiracy but there certainly are a lot of strange unanswered questions about what happened"

― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 12. august 2019 01:22 (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The twitter account isn't even verified, you honestly don't know at all who made it. I also assume it's all legit, but none of us knows. That's what I'm saying wrt literacy. Defeating conspiracies means finding information from trust-worthy sources (and making notice when sources turn out to be not trustworthy at all) not looking at a twitter thread that seems to know what it says, and then being mad at other people.

Lol yes it’s true, she is not even verified, thx for the media literacy lesson

where's Verrit when you need them?

Attorney General Bill Barr on the suicide of accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein: "Let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein. Any co-conspirators should not rest easy" https://t.co/O0OFAg3xyj pic.twitter.com/nZLWpjMhGF

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 12, 2019

the old standard or the 2019 standard

sad lol

One more wrinkle that I don't recall seeing before

In addition, because Mr. Epstein may have tried to commit suicide three weeks earlier, he was supposed to have had another inmate in his cell, three officials said. But the jail had recently transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone, a decision that also violated the jail’s procedures, the two officials said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html

yeah I’d heard that - wouldn’t be the first time jail employees didn’t follow procedure, esp for a high profile prisoner

But Mr. Young said he was certain that Mr. Epstein was in the cell alone — and nearly certain Mr. Epstein had a cellmate after he was removed from suicide watch.

“I can tell you it is unequivocal that he was in a cell by himself,” Mr. Young said. “I can tell you Epstein didn’t have anyone in the room with him when he committed suicide.”

guys, do we have a missing cellmate?

where is that italian quadruple murder ex-cop guy

shocking news

Justice officials have now uncovered broader problems at the MCC. It’s not clear what else has been found but, it goes beyond the 24 hours before Epstein’s death. Justice officials say the MCC has suffered a breakdown in protocols for a period that goes back years. @evanperez

— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) August 12, 2019

Sorry, USA, but the MCC can only mean one thing, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone_Cricket_Club

They're not wrong though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT4qObpOzeI

this new NY Times piece links him to Elon Musk and Tesla, because why fucking not

https://archive.is/qLDp2

The desperate pleas of a narcissist being left out to dry

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html

lmao, xpost there

“I kept trying to steer the conversation back to Tesla, but Mr. Epstein remained evasive. He said he’d spoken to the Saudis about possibly investing in Tesla, but he wouldn’t provide any specifics or names. When I pressed him on the purported email from Mr. Musk, he said the email wasn’t from Mr. Musk himself, but from someone very close to him. He wouldn’t say who that person was. I asked him if that person would talk to me, and he said he’d ask. He later said the person declined; I doubt he asked.”

GRIMES WHAT DO YOU KNOW

jeffrey 'actually it's ephebophilia' epstein didn't live long enough to become the libertarian party candidate in 2020 pic.twitter.com/KBMbu6F8FX

— ☭🕷️🐬The Antifada🐬🕷️☭ (@the_antifada) August 12, 2019

even milquetoast centrists are getting radicalized

I don’t even have a theory to fill out a conspiracy theory with, but it’s wild that Bill Barr’s dad hired young college dropout Jeffrey Epstein to be a high school calculus teacher.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 12, 2019

can someone decode this for me

NEW YORK (AP) — AP source: One of Jeffrey Epstein's guards the night he hanged himself wasn't a correctional officer.

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) August 13, 2019

They didn't want to pay a real CO so some lower ranking person who does the same job but is paid less was doing it.

Ahh, gotcha. Conspiracy brain wants to know if that's a common practice in federal lockup but I assume that'll get discussed at some point

can someone decode this for me

Lower risk inmates do rounds/watch camera feeds.

Tbc I needed it decoded because that sentence was also the entire content of the AP story!

^ At least on the night shift.

lol I just noticed the end date on this poll is 9/11

I assumed that was intentional. But haven't set up a poll so don't know how the date's set.

even milquetoast centrists are getting radicalized

Yglesias hasn't been milquetoast for years, though.

wow, huge if true

Okay, so this seems like the first lead in this Epstein suicide story pic.twitter.com/RORJ3k0nGh

— Justin Halpern (@justin_halpern) August 13, 2019

The greatest trick Steve Jail ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

— A Choral Hexed Eleventh (@AHEveleth) August 13, 2019

When I saw that my first thought was that it had to be a parody account. It's so far out.