I was about to say, maybe he knows more than he lets on
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
cool that we can talk about what rly went down in like 45 years time lol
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
tie it to Hillary
Man, you are a dipshit.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link
Has anyone ever figured out how Epstein amassed a high 9-digit fortune while trading his own account? Hedge fund billionaires skimming 20% of profits off other people's money is a lot easier. Ghislaine Maxwell, post bankruptcy collapse of dad's business empire, is another character with no visible means of support.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
Les Wexler claims that Epstein stole low 9-digits from him, doesn't he?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
So, ultimately, Epstein's sex predation was funded by Victoria's Secret consumers. Always thought there was something sinister about the word PINK on asses.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
You got meI’m dying dog
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
Keyes yr the only person itt who is knee-jerk
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
Ok cool so there hasn’t been a whole weekend of conspiracy stud it’s just me ok
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
Stuff
I'm the conspiracy stud around here.
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
Yes, there are people talking about conspiracies. You immediately leap to lumping the word in with "Hillary personally led the Benghazi attack" nuts, which is why you're a dipshit.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
the stud is dan bidondi irrc
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
Simma simma bros
― calstars, Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
Whatever I’m obviously a nobody publicizing my viewsJust treat me like morons posting Perrin tweets if you can’t abide
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
Lol I meant morbs but autocorrect hmm
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
there really hasn't been anyone on this thread claiming with any conviction that any particular conspiracy is true. Saying he may have been murdered or received a push or assistance in killing himself is pretty mild speculation.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
Devils' advocate: another anonymous source w/ knowledge of the prison, this time claiming guards were on heavy forced OT
https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article233762702.html
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
Fits with my indifference/routinely shitty systems theory
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
Btw I’m not just talking about people on this thread but the entirely of left Twitter which spent this weekend in some q anon bs
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
Not just left twitter!
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
Might be the people you follow...
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
I mean you can do that all you want as long as long as there’s one lonely person on a message board calling you a dipshit
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
I have the same reaction whenever anyone complains about this or that Twitter meltdown: I savor the little bubble I've cultivated and the joys of the mute list.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:27 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah the indignation around this is kind of hilarious, nobody in here srsly has any dog in this fight
many xps brimstead I'm really not sure what the sore spot is here but I never had you sussed out as such a prick before, thx for the heads up
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
Think it was probably murder, but it's not insane to think it might not have been
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
^^
That's where I'm at.
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
Who murdered him?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
Give me some evidence you shitbirds
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
lol i'm fuckin culombo now hey
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
columbo
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
spoiled the riposte, but stumbled on a decent multilingual pun there
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
Right-wing and left-wing 'conspiracies' mirror their broader political ideologies - right-wing conspiracies overwhelmingly assume the existence of an alien body undermining good decent American society. Left-wing conspiracies mirror the left's reading of the role of power and wealth in America. (COINTELPRO was real. The pigs killed Fred Hampton. The CIA actively worked with Nazis during the Cold War and trafficked drugs. yada yada yada)
IE the left-wing conspiracies identify the alien body as the FBI - which the right-wing conspiracies now agree with.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
the difference being that left-wing conspiracists don't see such forces as "alien" whatsoever
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
(well, one difference, anyway)
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
I think you are crediting a lot of people with more nuance than they're showing.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:24 (four years ago) link
again, the extremely detailed & informative twitter thread posted by soref explains so much & really seems like the last word on this, I cant believe this thread has outlasted that post
Again, the extremely detailed & informative tweet by foster the people explains so much & really seems like the last word on this, I cant believe this thread has outlasted that post
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
Yeah. Hearty lol that the angry anti-conspiracists seem to think some rando's twitter thread should be the final word on this. I think it was suicide as well, but I really don't get the anger.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link
I really appreciated learning all the details of why suicide watch doesn’t last long and how it works. I have to think we’ll find out more about this case soon (cameras? etc.).
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link
It was a good thread. As these things goes. But it's not exactly media literate to read some tweets and then shout at people for not agreeing.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
Dont feel like I'm angrily shouting at people itt? But w/e. The twitter thread (by a writer informed in that field) goes into great detail about how suicide watch works in in-patient facilities, something that many ppl itt obviously didnt know about before posting stuff like "the fact that he wasnt on 24/7 watch is telling evidence that someone wanted him dead" or "hm he was taken off suicide watch and then coincidentally killed himself? v sus, obvious intentionality at play behind his death", which is the essential logic behind a great majority of the conspiracy-friendly posts itt. If you think it's "not exactly media literate" to not give equal weight to the foster the people dude then w/e, i dunno what to tell you.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
Like literally that thread contains the key information that many posters are referring to when they say "I'm not saying its a conspiracy but there certainly are a lot of strange unanswered questions about what happened"
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link
Yes, that suicide watch tweet was interesting and, immediately after it, I read this on wiki:
The initially strict suicide watch having been relaxed,[163] on 1 January 1995 Fred West asphyxiated himself[164] in his cell by wrapping an improvised rope he had constructed from a blanket and tags he had stolen from prison laundry bags[165] around his neck, then binding this device to a door handle and window catchment, and sinking to his knees.[165]
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link
sad that you would trust wikipedia on that when the foster the people dude hasnt yet weighed in, smdh
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
idk all the angry ppl itt seem to be on the conspiracy side imo
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
anyway seeing as this is an ilx memorial thread i think we should all only share personal memories of how we engaged with the subjects work
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
I'm not angry for the record. I am calm and posting as I normally do
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Had the pleasure of meeting Jeffrey Epstein at a charity do once. He was surprisingly down to earth, and VERY funny.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
(with apologies to Limmy)
I think it’s messed up that a federal holding jail has both a horrible rep for conditions and they would be less than cautious when taking someone off suicide watch on one hand, epstein could have been a high value person to prosecute due to the number of people he could incriminate on the stand, or the context he could provide to all the creepy shit at his houses/island. on the other hand, he’s jailed in a place with overworked staff who only see him as an exploiter and they’re disincentivized to give a shit about a rich man who did horrible things. it’s down to whether institutional or intentional negligence let him off himself. or, who knows, they let one of his fellow inmates in his cell during social hour for questionable reasons?
― untuned mass damper (mh), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:56 (four years ago) link