You thought British politics was all doom and gloom and then someone pulls out this *absolute belter*. pic.twitter.com/NXIYqlD6yo— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) August 11, 2019
― suzy, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
lol!
― calzino, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
"neutral figure" yeah sure.
― calzino, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
This reminds me of the time a bunch of Blairite snakes offered Jeremy Corbyn the opportunity to be ‘membership president’ or similar, possible Chuka-originated cunning plan.
― suzy, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
Lucas cancelled then
I don't really understand what the Greens are actually for. Either be electable or be radical. Anyway no deal is good because decreasing economic activity is an environmental good etc
― anvil, Monday, 12 August 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
:/
doing her best to justify everything calzino was saying
― imago, Monday, 12 August 2019 08:27 (four years ago) link
I don't know who they are but they're a real dead ringer for Tories
― Pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 08:28 (four years ago) link
as a seafaring scratty benefits desperado on a badly listing ship, I can smell a crypto-tory from a thousand yards.. ooh arr!
― calzino, Monday, 12 August 2019 08:33 (four years ago) link
― imago
I was vaguely pro-Lucas, but she doesn't really stand up to any scrutiny. Which is fine because she doesn't get any.
She's been successful largely by not really saying anything and not really offending anyone. What is it really, other than hessian identity politics?
On a local level, fine, but on a national level? Thats it?
Even if this is just a genuine error, not really enough credit in the bank. Planet is burning and you're more interested in a trade deal? Way to choreograph priorities. "Vote Green, the party of stopping no deal". Cancelled from all directions
― anvil, Monday, 12 August 2019 08:55 (four years ago) link
Many Greens are people from town/rural Tory families who make loads of FB posts about endangered species and vegetarian issues but are generally about three drinks away from a halal meat rant.
― suzy, Monday, 12 August 2019 08:58 (four years ago) link
They sold out when they decided to have a leader
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link
dgmw, stopping no deal is probably important to the environmentalist movement in terms of maintaining unified standards (and of course, look at the crazed sociopaths who'll be setting the agenda now), but there are ways of going about it, and this is terrible, a total capitulation to the fbpe never-corbyn crew and a jarring performative-woke-but-actually-racist misstep
― imago, Monday, 12 August 2019 09:06 (four years ago) link
It's just headline-grabbing, deep down she must know it's unworkable.
― Matt DC, Monday, 12 August 2019 09:38 (four years ago) link
Government of national unity feels almost pathetically counterproductive, it's extremely obvious that the Tories will come screaming back with a people-vs-politicians people-vs-elite-stitch-up message and this time it might actually cut through.
― Matt DC, Monday, 12 August 2019 09:40 (four years ago) link
Perhaps, but there is such a thing as bad publicity when your entire ethos isn't grounded in cheap thrills and manipulative transgression. I fail to see how this could be parsed as anything other than a misstep.
xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 09:41 (four years ago) link
if Brexit has taught us anything it's that our classless society is all class consciousness all the way down
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 09:41 (four years ago) link
Fwiw as a visitor to your fine kingdom class dynamics are especially egregious here.
― pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 09:44 (four years ago) link
yeah I don't necessarily invoke this with approval pom, the obvious thing is that nine tenths of the middle class in the UK are absolutely proletarian in Marxist terms.
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 09:46 (four years ago) link
It ain't easy being green but this is more than a mere misstep. Scans like sef-sabotage, the kind I've not seen from Lucas for a long time iirc.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 12 August 2019 09:58 (four years ago) link
you couldn’t design a policy more perfectly calibrated to help a no deal brexit win referendum II if you tried...
― im led by donky (||||||||), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:01 (four years ago) link
as I say, these numpts can't help themselves. the FBPE massive hasbeen all flustered entitled lash out from day one, no strategy, no case-making
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:05 (four years ago) link
NMTE
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
idk what lucas' excuse is but the wider fbpe movement has suffered from having a lot of ppl with v little experience of or respect for activism who are incredibly politically awkward & cannot grasp the basics of the dynamic such as having to persuade ppl who do not see yr cause as the most important thing itw
― ogmor, Monday, 12 August 2019 10:23 (four years ago) link
I'm sure it's a problem in a lot of places but it does feel like british political culture runs almost entirely on schadenfreude & spite, and it's created a nation of ppl totally unprepared to have to do anything beyond mockery
― ogmor, Monday, 12 August 2019 10:30 (four years ago) link
... plus also they’ve been co-opted by people who see it as a vector to (1) undermine the labour leadership and (2) launder their reputations
― im led by donky (||||||||), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:31 (four years ago) link
cuntwombles, if you will
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:32 (four years ago) link
i'm worried about Johnson's lurch towards a US-style prison-industrial complex. N Robinson this morning did the absolute performative minimum in interrogating the justice minister - not ONCE did he ask what checks would be in place to make sure the incentives ran the right way i.e. the opposite of 'more prisoners = more places needed = more public money for Serco'
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link
"idk what lucas' excuse is"
Most single issue parties are such a waste of time. Even with the climate emergency you wouldn't go to these people to help organise for a solution.
Just seeing silence from the Green politicos I follow who have serious left politics.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 August 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link
― ogmor,
A related problem is the 'adults in the room' ethos and an implicit disdain for the public (or at least distrust. after all if they gave us Trump and Brexit can they really be trusted?).
The appearance of a plan, or for a person or group of people to look like the kind of people that might have a plan, is more important than what the plan actually is. As long as there are pencils and paper, that is the main thing. These expert brains working in unison will surely fill up that notepad in no time at all, if we just trust them to do it (is this what a 'technocratic elite'? is, never sure whats meant by that)
The problem is the audience for this nonsense has been evaporating over the last 12 years
― anvil, Monday, 12 August 2019 10:52 (four years ago) link
i am feeling a Centrist Brain Worms thread
― anvil, Monday, 12 August 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link
yeah the prison stuff seems like it would need to be backed by a big increase in private sector involvement - big payday for g4s and other security companies and a step further towards mass incarceration for profit like the us has, and a big step back from actually having a justice system aimed at... y’know, justicebasically boris rolling out the welcome mat for disaster capitalists yet again, lol we’re all gonna die
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
justice and rehabilitation, meant to add there
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:57 (four years ago) link
xxxp
when i lazily moan about technocrats that's pretty much what i mean, yes
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:57 (four years ago) link
when i talk about technocrats this is what i meanhttps://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3347/1777208-technocrat_4.jpg
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 August 2019 11:01 (four years ago) link
Re: prisons and everything else. The next 6-9 months feels like the country will decide between two, very different, competing visions. Thank fuck the left are in a position to offer something positive.
(Contrast with somewhere like India where there is absolutely no opposition, and no ideas)
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:03 (four years ago) link
Lucas be digging:
“It’s all white women who voted remain. How can that be a government of national unity?”@CarolineLucas says all those she has invited to form an emergency all-female cabinet are in senior positions in their parties, and “all happen to be white”.https://t.co/aZyu9cbCO1 pic.twitter.com/qltAWdt7jy— Victoria Derbyshire (@VictoriaLIVE) August 12, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link
100 new answers by tea time. do it!
― ogmor, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link
we all wish Jo Swinton wasn't white
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 11:06 (four years ago) link
xp hopefully this wld also provoke a salty and ill-conceived Tankie Brain Worms thread
― ogmor, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:07 (four years ago) link
Implying this isn't already a Centrist Brain Worms thread.
― pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:10 (four years ago) link
xxp lol Anna Soubry & Swinson has been leader for 5 seconds...unless she’s counting her time in the coalition gov slashing employment rights as a positive?
― gyac, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:12 (four years ago) link
1. study the theory behind the practice2. clean up this thread3. finally discover the meaning of yvette cooper
― ogmor, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link
xxp we’ll have you singing the red flag by years end
― gyac, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:16 (four years ago) link
caroline... nicola sturgeon... isn’t even an MP
― im led by donky (||||||||), Monday, 12 August 2019 11:18 (four years ago) link
Incidentally, I assume I'm the only person itt who has lived under actual communism.
― pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:20 (four years ago) link
(xp) Hasn't really thought this through, has she?
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Monday, 12 August 2019 11:23 (four years ago) link
we don't see the nightmare of previous established iterations of communism to be any more of an indictment of the ideal than apologists for capitalism see the suffering of billions as an indictment of theirs
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 11:27 (four years ago) link
Lets not have that argument & assume I didn’t mean communism
― gyac, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:29 (four years ago) link
Plus I’m about to fly and I don’t want to miss a big fight when I can’t join in
― gyac, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link
I'm absolutely not arguing with pom, totalitarian states are obviously a special kind of horror that is undoubtedly worse than states that only enforce their totalitarianism thru poverty and socialisation
― pharma chameleon (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2019 11:32 (four years ago) link