PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

I couldn’t forgive myself if we didn’t try everything possible to avert catastrophe of No Deal.

Everything apart from working with the actual opposition,. Embarrassing.

big vote leave no deal psi-op vibes off this initiative

No women from the Corbynite left wtf?!

The eco-LibDems are the real opposition though!

"Thornberry, Swinson, Greening and Sturgeon, as well as the Change UK MP Anna Soubry..."

she's a fucking joke.

There are some serious activists on the green left who will be angered by this move.

It's not going to happen so why do it?

playing the centre-right fantasy bench game is what marks you out as a grown-up?

Yvette Cooper in there again who is from a Leave constituency and has always been either completely lukewarm to opposed to a 2nd ref iirc.

The idea of Yvette Cooper is more powerful to these people than the reality of Yvette Cooper though.

Why spend time wondering about how you can convince people to either change their minds or turn out to vote when you could be writing Yvette Cooper fanfic instead?

No women from the Corbynite left wtf?!

Lol fucking state of this reply

Backdoor route to a National Government. Didn’t work for Ramsey Mcdonald and won’t work now, whatever the gender of the participants https://t.co/ru0CbHwrK4

— Diane Abbott (@HackneyAbbott) August 11, 2019

So you’re putting Corbyn before country, before the very people Labour are supposed to waht to protect.

Labour aren’t a party of values anymore, they are a personality cult that’s going to help the Tories lead this country to ruin

I’m half tempted to stand against you for this

— Paul Singh (@Paul1Singh) August 11, 2019

You no longer represent the people of Hackney do you, you’re willing to sacrifice their jobs, their livelihoods, their future to ensure Corbyn remains leader of the Labour Party,

Second rate on every level,

The people of Hackney deserve better then you could ever offer them

— Paul Singh (@Paul1Singh) August 11, 2019

Right this settles it, this fella is a total headbanger.

How long before India & those off Indian descent become the new Corbynista hate figures https://t.co/HhEdpmtala

— Paul Singh (@Paul1Singh) August 11, 2019

Can we persuade this guy to stand for Parliament? I need a laugh.

You thought British politics was all doom and gloom and then someone pulls out this *absolute belter*. pic.twitter.com/NXIYqlD6yo

— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) August 11, 2019

lol!

"neutral figure" yeah sure.

This reminds me of the time a bunch of Blairite snakes offered Jeremy Corbyn the opportunity to be ‘membership president’ or similar, possible Chuka-originated cunning plan.

Lucas cancelled then

I don't really understand what the Greens are actually for. Either be electable or be radical. Anyway no deal is good because decreasing economic activity is an environmental good etc

:/

doing her best to justify everything calzino was saying

I don't know who they are but they're a real dead ringer for Tories

as a seafaring scratty benefits desperado on a badly listing ship, I can smell a crypto-tory from a thousand yards.. ooh arr!

:/

doing her best to justify everything calzino was saying

― imago

I was vaguely pro-Lucas, but she doesn't really stand up to any scrutiny. Which is fine because she doesn't get any.

She's been successful largely by not really saying anything and not really offending anyone. What is it really, other than hessian identity politics?

On a local level, fine, but on a national level? Thats it?

Even if this is just a genuine error, not really enough credit in the bank. Planet is burning and you're more interested in a trade deal? Way to choreograph priorities. "Vote Green, the party of stopping no deal". Cancelled from all directions

Many Greens are people from town/rural Tory families who make loads of FB posts about endangered species and vegetarian issues but are generally about three drinks away from a halal meat rant.

They sold out when they decided to have a leader

dgmw, stopping no deal is probably important to the environmentalist movement in terms of maintaining unified standards (and of course, look at the crazed sociopaths who'll be setting the agenda now), but there are ways of going about it, and this is terrible, a total capitulation to the fbpe never-corbyn crew and a jarring performative-woke-but-actually-racist misstep

It's just headline-grabbing, deep down she must know it's unworkable.

Government of national unity feels almost pathetically counterproductive, it's extremely obvious that the Tories will come screaming back with a people-vs-politicians people-vs-elite-stitch-up message and this time it might actually cut through.

Perhaps, but there is such a thing as bad publicity when your entire ethos isn't grounded in cheap thrills and manipulative transgression. I fail to see how this could be parsed as anything other than a misstep.

xp

if Brexit has taught us anything it's that our classless society is all class consciousness all the way down

Fwiw as a visitor to your fine kingdom class dynamics are especially egregious here.

yeah I don't necessarily invoke this with approval pom, the obvious thing is that nine tenths of the middle class in the UK are absolutely proletarian in Marxist terms.

It ain't easy being green but this is more than a mere misstep. Scans like sef-sabotage, the kind I've not seen from Lucas for a long time iirc.

you couldn’t design a policy more perfectly calibrated to help a no deal brexit win referendum II if you tried...

as I say, these numpts can't help themselves. the FBPE massive hasbeen all flustered entitled lash out from day one, no strategy, no case-making

NMTE

idk what lucas' excuse is but the wider fbpe movement has suffered from having a lot of ppl with v little experience of or respect for activism who are incredibly politically awkward & cannot grasp the basics of the dynamic such as having to persuade ppl who do not see yr cause as the most important thing itw

I'm sure it's a problem in a lot of places but it does feel like british political culture runs almost entirely on schadenfreude & spite, and it's created a nation of ppl totally unprepared to have to do anything beyond mockery

... plus also they’ve been co-opted by people who see it as a vector to (1) undermine the labour leadership and (2) launder their reputations

cuntwombles, if you will

i'm worried about Johnson's lurch towards a US-style prison-industrial complex. N Robinson this morning did the absolute performative minimum in interrogating the justice minister - not ONCE did he ask what checks would be in place to make sure the incentives ran the right way i.e. the opposite of 'more prisoners = more places needed = more public money for Serco'

"idk what lucas' excuse is"

Most single issue parties are such a waste of time. Even with the climate emergency you wouldn't go to these people to help organise for a solution.

Just seeing silence from the Green politicos I follow who have serious left politics.

idk what lucas' excuse is but the wider fbpe movement has suffered from having a lot of ppl with v little experience of or respect for activism who are incredibly politically awkward & cannot grasp the basics of the dynamic such as having to persuade ppl who do not see yr cause as the most important thing itw

― ogmor,

A related problem is the 'adults in the room' ethos and an implicit disdain for the public (or at least distrust. after all if they gave us Trump and Brexit can they really be trusted?).

The appearance of a plan, or for a person or group of people to look like the kind of people that might have a plan, is more important than what the plan actually is. As long as there are pencils and paper, that is the main thing. These expert brains working in unison will surely fill up that notepad in no time at all, if we just trust them to do it (is this what a 'technocratic elite'? is, never sure whats meant by that)

The problem is the audience for this nonsense has been evaporating over the last 12 years

i am feeling a Centrist Brain Worms thread

yeah the prison stuff seems like it would need to be backed by a big increase in private sector involvement - big payday for g4s and other security companies and a step further towards mass incarceration for profit like the us has, and a big step back from actually having a justice system aimed at... y’know, justice

basically boris rolling out the welcome mat for disaster capitalists yet again, lol we’re all gonna die

justice and rehabilitation, meant to add there

xxxp

when i lazily moan about technocrats that's pretty much what i mean, yes

when i talk about technocrats this is what i mean

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3347/1777208-technocrat_4.jpg

Re: prisons and everything else. The next 6-9 months feels like the country will decide between two, very different, competing visions. Thank fuck the left are in a position to offer something positive.

(Contrast with somewhere like India where there is absolutely no opposition, and no ideas)

Lucas be digging:

“It’s all white women who voted remain. How can that be a government of national unity?”@CarolineLucas says all those she has invited to form an emergency all-female cabinet are in senior positions in their parties, and “all happen to be white”.https://t.co/aZyu9cbCO1 pic.twitter.com/qltAWdt7jy

— Victoria Derbyshire (@VictoriaLIVE) August 12, 2019