the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it

OTM

The 3rd option that I've seen people claim is that the body isn't estrone st all. Photos show the substitute is clearly different to the living Epstein so he's been spirited away somewhere comfortable.
Which really is a conspiracy theory.
Like.
But is one I've seen circulating.

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

(xp) It might be intellectually arrogant of me to comment, so I'll pass on that one.

xp tool + rube

^using it

another victory for fat-thumbed typing

Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.

honestly I think Clintons are behind my sciatica

could be some royals too though

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

Again, I don’t really track why people are so quick to attribute any level of rational thinking to the insane pedophile sex slaver who built an impregnation ranch

was he insane?

he pretty rationally figured he could get away with this, it went on for a very long time

The twitter thread soref posted really says it all

I corrected a predictive text back to epstein on the previous comment. I thought it had become a recognised option for the phone then it posted wrong again.
But there is a conspiracy theory circulating that e body isn't epstein at all.
Which is another way of seeing things.
Gone back to his lizard friends?

omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.

Perrin would know

Xp I mean obviously hats a flip word to use but I think most would agree that an overview of his life & work would revea some glaring flaws in his decisionmaking skills

I guess but only if you share his moral code, like he was entirely right that ppl would be down with his plan

starting an impregnation ranch is less bonkers when seen as an elaborate cover for sex island, getting a sort of free pass as an eccentric or horny Dr. Moreau

we've all had to stan for embarrassing cover story fantasies when trying to get pet projects approved tbf

Boris Johnson to thread

omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

this is no more insane than thinking the Clintons ordered it

possibly so

no one has to "order it."

it's What Needs to Be Done.

Epstein had plenty of agency himself to decide to take his own life to protect his rich buddies.

Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.

― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, August 11, 2019 1:05 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Prince Andrew's a WHAT?!
Thought he was just a gun-runner, or was that Mark Thatcher?

wd his loyalty extend that far? xp

well he had plenty of other reasons to kill himself, such as "no future" and "complete and utter humiliation"

I didn't realize we were doing specifics! I'd like to restate in that case. I think is likely he was murdered but I have no idea who by

Somehow both my mom and my brother are pretty sure it was auto-erotic asphyxiation from sex addiction.

effrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.

In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.

I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY

Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?

If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.

People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

it's wild that AG Barr gets to chime in on this case without a hundred people screaming at him abt his family ties

I just think people who say Epstein was murdered are talking out their asses and I feel it’s my duty to call them out on it if not shame them for it. What’s the big deal

gotta bring a sledgehammer to that echo chamber that amplifies any half-baked titillating suspicion that pops into people’s heads

I have the distinct impression that the reflexive "he killed himself obv" people are the ones who know less, not more, about the case

frankly whether he killed himself or he was offed is not very interesting to me because if it's the latter it's not like that is going to get cracked and solved. I"m more interested in seeing where this investigation into Maxwell and his other employees goes.

Simon if you know some details I don’t that indicate he was murdered feel free to share them!

Just read the Miami herald story

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

really?

this I assume is the specific Miami Herald piece fb is thinking of

Facing a 53-page federal indictment, Epstein could have ended up in federal prison for the rest of his life.

But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.

Not only would Epstein serve just 13 months in the county jail, but the deal — called a non-prosecution agreement — essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes, according to a Miami Herald examination of thousands of emails, court documents and FBI records.

The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.

As part of the arrangement, Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims. As a result, the non-prosecution agreement was sealed until after it was approved by the judge, thereby averting any chance that the girls — or anyone else — might show up in court and try to derail it.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

tho tbh revisiting this piece now it seems like a "tip of the iceberg" type deal, no mention of Mossad, Donald Barr, his mysterious/possibly nonexistent "hedge fund" etc

A friend has the best reasoning why it wasn't suicide- "He was a rich white man and thus he had staff and didn’t lift a finger unless it was to penetrate a 14 year old’s vagina."
She gets kicked off of fb a lot.

Are there any theories abt why the all-powerful global bilderberg elite decided not to slip him one of the many discreet, barely-detectable drugs known to be used by spy agencies around the world which can induce heart attack & suffocation virtually indistinguishable from a 'natural' death? As opposed to a faked suicide by hanging, which would obviously involve strong ppl, violence, forcible restraint, cajoling the silence of who knows how many guards & inmates, etc?

He probably wasn't murdered per se, but I don't think it's at all inconcievable that a certain amount of coercion and blind eye turning was involved.

there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else

― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, August 11, 2019 12:33 PM (four hours ago)

yeah, this is otm

again, the extremely detailed & informative twitter thread posted by soref explains so much & really seems like the last word on this, I cant believe this thread has outlasted that post

He probably wasn't murdered per se, but I don't think it's at all inconcievable that a certain amount of coercion and blind eye turning was involved.

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

really?

― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, August 11, 2019 4:40 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, really. It’s no secret that a lot of people get sucked into the right through conspiracy theories. And yes, most of these theories are patently absurd, but many of them are seductive because they have some sort of connection to reality, no matter how skewed. Look at how long conspiracy theorists have dined out on Cointelpro and MK Ultra (both historically real and destructive secret programs), for example. And fuck, we just learned a few years ago that the NSA spies on everybody. Why would you trust anyone who tells you there’s nothing to worry about?

So when something like the Epstein case comes along that involves so many nodes of real-world power, and the man at the center of it turns up dead...welp.

Epstein’s death is inherently charged by the very nature of the crimes he was accused of and the circles he operated in. It does not mean he was murdered but scoffing at people who think it’s a little fishy seems to me a misguided and frankly rather patronizing impulse.

Prince Andrew and his mother being chauffeured to church this morning. pic.twitter.com/GshGJbEPBx

— Garbage 🦍 (@GarbageApe) August 11, 2019