the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

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I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:59 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:11 (eleven months ago) link

It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:14 (eleven months ago) link

I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:16 (eleven months ago) link

"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein."
"Thanks, Alan--thanks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4

clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:18 (eleven months ago) link

conspiracy doesn't apply here

it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:20 (eleven months ago) link

Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:23 (eleven months ago) link

i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:24 (eleven months ago) link

Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:26 (eleven months ago) link

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:33 (eleven months ago) link

Welp

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:23 (eleven months ago) link

assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:57 (eleven months ago) link

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets

Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:18 (eleven months ago) link

lol

have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble

— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:23 (eleven months ago) link

Pumped Up Epps

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:29 (eleven months ago) link

I knew this storyline felt like a retread

Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?

— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 06:09 (eleven months ago) link

who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 07:25 (eleven months ago) link

this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice

Incoming thread.

Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.

Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable.

Warning.

— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019

soref, Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:26 (eleven months ago) link

excellent read soref thks

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:37 (eleven months ago) link

Indeed, thanks soref.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:02 (eleven months ago) link

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial

anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:12 (eleven months ago) link

He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

I'm sure he had a reasonable expectation he was going to get bail, when he didn't get it maybe the sky finally fell in. Tbh I don't want to spend another minute thinking about his POS and am dissappointed at myself for commenting itt.

Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:12 (eleven months ago) link

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Hillary didn't lose the "election"; she lost the coin toss backstage, overseen by the lizard people who secretly guide all world events. Then she just had to "make it look good" and vanish off the public stage once her role in the Grand Design was complete. Do I have that right, Morbs?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:32 (eleven months ago) link

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:33 (eleven months ago) link

I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY

Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?

If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.

People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:45 (eleven months ago) link

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

Right, exactly! I don't think anyone here is going to dispute that people die regularly in prison, both by their own hand and by the hands of others. It is far from outlandish to suggest the people are murdered in prison, and that certain people are potentially more at risk of this happening to them.

After trial, I'd take a sucide explanation all day long. Before? I can't see it

anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:09 (eleven months ago) link

there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:33 (eleven months ago) link

I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:34 (eleven months ago) link

OTM

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:42 (eleven months ago) link

The 3rd option that I've seen people claim is that the body isn't estrone st all. Photos show the substitute is clearly different to the living Epstein so he's been spirited away somewhere comfortable.
Which really is a conspiracy theory.
Like.
But is one I've seen circulating.

Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:48 (eleven months ago) link

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't


you absolute tube, can’t you see that that’s what they WANT u to think

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:59 (eleven months ago) link

(xp) It might be intellectually arrogant of me to comment, so I'll pass on that one.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (eleven months ago) link

xp tool + rube

^using it

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (eleven months ago) link

another victory for fat-thumbed typing

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:04 (eleven months ago) link

Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:05 (eleven months ago) link

honestly I think Clintons are behind my sciatica

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:09 (eleven months ago) link

could be some royals too though

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:09 (eleven months ago) link

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

Again, I don’t really track why people are so quick to attribute any level of rational thinking to the insane pedophile sex slaver who built an impregnation ranch

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:10 (eleven months ago) link

was he insane?

he pretty rationally figured he could get away with this, it went on for a very long time

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (eleven months ago) link

The twitter thread soref posted really says it all

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (eleven months ago) link

I corrected a predictive text back to epstein on the previous comment. I thought it had become a recognised option for the phone then it posted wrong again.
But there is a conspiracy theory circulating that e body isn't epstein at all.
Which is another way of seeing things.
Gone back to his lizard friends?

Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:14 (eleven months ago) link

omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:15 (eleven months ago) link

Perrin would know

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:15 (eleven months ago) link

Xp I mean obviously hats a flip word to use but I think most would agree that an overview of his life & work would revea some glaring flaws in his decisionmaking skills

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:16 (eleven months ago) link

I guess but only if you share his moral code, like he was entirely right that ppl would be down with his plan

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:21 (eleven months ago) link

starting an impregnation ranch is less bonkers when seen as an elaborate cover for sex island, getting a sort of free pass as an eccentric or horny Dr. Moreau

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:24 (eleven months ago) link

we've all had to stan for embarrassing cover story fantasies when trying to get pet projects approved tbf

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:26 (eleven months ago) link

Boris Johnson to thread

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:31 (eleven months ago) link

omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

this is no more insane than thinking the Clintons ordered it

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:33 (eleven months ago) link

Whole lotta stuff in there including dirt on Dersh, Prince Andrew, Clinton, Marvin Minsky (!). General negligence and shady dealings by the FBI. But interestingly not seeing anything about Trump so far.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:06 (one week ago) link

I kinda suspect he saw Epatein, who was known for being wealthy and charismatic, as competition and didn't like fighting for attention in that orbit. his vanity might have, uh, trumped his lechery.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:08 (one week ago) link

https://t.co/4mH2k3cwH5 pic.twitter.com/5MXXjHid4e

— John Cook (@johnjcook) July 31, 2020

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:09 (one week ago) link

Lots of people are going through these docs. This is a pretty good thread, but I'm sure there will be more.

The Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein) documents have been unsealed.

Will be posting excerpts here -

Starting with allegations of minor being trafficked to Maxwell, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz (as prev. alleged).

Thread. pic.twitter.com/jELX0qRDcc

— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) July 31, 2020

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:12 (one week ago) link

so far nothing major not already hinted at or reasonably speculated, I don't think

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:14 (one week ago) link

WHOA. pic.twitter.com/EiWez0ddOc

— Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) July 31, 2020

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:16 (one week ago) link

I'll be glad if this means the demise of the dersh but...idk, man, he's like 80 and seems pretty unlikely to hit bottom before he croaks. and everyone already knows he's the fuckin worst. I hope a lot more heads will roll.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 12:35 (one week ago) link

he has not been tweeting

lag∞n, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:31 (one week ago) link

Are the other co-conspirator women (Nadia Marcinkova, etc) also being investigated or does anyone know? (her story is fucking weird as is the 'aviation marketing' company she's ostensibly CEO of)

akm, Friday, 31 July 2020 21:03 (one week ago) link

So no details about the mechanics or structure of the blackmail operation?

treeship., Friday, 31 July 2020 21:14 (one week ago) link

What’s complicated about blackmail

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 21:15 (one week ago) link

who was behind it, who was targeted, what the aim was — just investing in the phony hedge fund or something more — etc

I have questions, silby

treeship., Friday, 31 July 2020 21:18 (one week ago) link

i think the only stuff that's in these documents is basically...the stuff everyone already basically knew

akm, Friday, 31 July 2020 21:53 (one week ago) link

yup

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:00 (one week ago) link

limited hang

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:00 (one week ago) link

Absolutely obscene opening paragraph. https://t.co/gCBFew7wec pic.twitter.com/GAdsC3D5he

— Huw Lemmey (@huwlemmey) July 31, 2020

let them microwave their rice (gyac), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:16 (one week ago) link

It’s funny how that’s the country’s least embarrassing newspaper

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:28 (one week ago) link

guardians lawyers probably wouldnt let them print anything that wasnt already clearly stated in the court papers

micah, Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:37 (one week ago) link


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