the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

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I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:59 (five months ago) link

Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:11 (five months ago) link

It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:14 (five months ago) link

I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:16 (five months ago) link

"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein."
"Thanks, Alan--thanks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4

clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:18 (five months ago) link

conspiracy doesn't apply here

it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:20 (five months ago) link

Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:23 (five months ago) link

i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:24 (five months ago) link

Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:26 (five months ago) link

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:33 (five months ago) link

Welp

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:23 (five months ago) link

assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:57 (five months ago) link

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets

Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:18 (five months ago) link

lol

have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble

— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:23 (five months ago) link

Pumped Up Epps

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:29 (five months ago) link

I knew this storyline felt like a retread

Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?

— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 06:09 (five months ago) link

who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 07:25 (five months ago) link

this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice

Incoming thread.

Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.

Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable.

Warning.

— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019

soref, Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:26 (five months ago) link

excellent read soref thks

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:37 (five months ago) link

Indeed, thanks soref.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:02 (five months ago) link

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial

anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:12 (five months ago) link

He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

I'm sure he had a reasonable expectation he was going to get bail, when he didn't get it maybe the sky finally fell in. Tbh I don't want to spend another minute thinking about his POS and am dissappointed at myself for commenting itt.

Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:12 (five months ago) link

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Hillary didn't lose the "election"; she lost the coin toss backstage, overseen by the lizard people who secretly guide all world events. Then she just had to "make it look good" and vanish off the public stage once her role in the Grand Design was complete. Do I have that right, Morbs?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:32 (five months ago) link

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:33 (five months ago) link

I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY

Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?

If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.

People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:45 (five months ago) link

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

Right, exactly! I don't think anyone here is going to dispute that people die regularly in prison, both by their own hand and by the hands of others. It is far from outlandish to suggest the people are murdered in prison, and that certain people are potentially more at risk of this happening to them.

After trial, I'd take a sucide explanation all day long. Before? I can't see it

anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:09 (five months ago) link

there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:33 (five months ago) link

I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:34 (five months ago) link

OTM

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:42 (five months ago) link

The 3rd option that I've seen people claim is that the body isn't estrone st all. Photos show the substitute is clearly different to the living Epstein so he's been spirited away somewhere comfortable.
Which really is a conspiracy theory.
Like.
But is one I've seen circulating.

Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:48 (five months ago) link

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't


you absolute tube, can’t you see that that’s what they WANT u to think

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:59 (five months ago) link

(xp) It might be intellectually arrogant of me to comment, so I'll pass on that one.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (five months ago) link

xp tool + rube

^using it

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (five months ago) link

another victory for fat-thumbed typing

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:04 (five months ago) link

Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:05 (five months ago) link

honestly I think Clintons are behind my sciatica

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:09 (five months ago) link

could be some royals too though

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:09 (five months ago) link

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

Again, I don’t really track why people are so quick to attribute any level of rational thinking to the insane pedophile sex slaver who built an impregnation ranch

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:10 (five months ago) link

was he insane?

he pretty rationally figured he could get away with this, it went on for a very long time

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (five months ago) link

The twitter thread soref posted really says it all

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (five months ago) link

I corrected a predictive text back to epstein on the previous comment. I thought it had become a recognised option for the phone then it posted wrong again.
But there is a conspiracy theory circulating that e body isn't epstein at all.
Which is another way of seeing things.
Gone back to his lizard friends?

Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:14 (five months ago) link

omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:15 (five months ago) link

Perrin would know

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:15 (five months ago) link

Xp I mean obviously hats a flip word to use but I think most would agree that an overview of his life & work would revea some glaring flaws in his decisionmaking skills

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:16 (five months ago) link

I guess but only if you share his moral code, like he was entirely right that ppl would be down with his plan

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:21 (five months ago) link

starting an impregnation ranch is less bonkers when seen as an elaborate cover for sex island, getting a sort of free pass as an eccentric or horny Dr. Moreau

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:24 (five months ago) link

we've all had to stan for embarrassing cover story fantasies when trying to get pet projects approved tbf

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:26 (five months ago) link

Boris Johnson to thread

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:31 (five months ago) link

omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

this is no more insane than thinking the Clintons ordered it

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:33 (five months ago) link

remember all those childish rubes that were saying this looks like a conspiracy? how embarrassing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:17 (one week ago) link

This is that movie Frailty kinda

papa stank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:22 (one week ago) link

Sadie Dupuis of Speedy Ortiz stumbled upon some MIT folks who have thoughts about the Epstein matter. The whole thread is a wild ride.

for unclear reasons i’m still on some MIT mailing lists and i’m morbidly fascinated by people who believe it was *moral* to take money from epstein and, by extension, it would be “repugnant” to refuse nazi money lollllllllll pic.twitter.com/kRNOGnoGcC

— speedy ortiz haunted presence? (@sad13) January 12, 2020

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:33 (six days ago) link

utilitarianism: still incorrect

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:46 (six days ago) link

You'll eat your words after I go back in time and accept grants from baby Hitler until he's penniless

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:48 (six days ago) link

me, an intellectual: pretending theres a free lunch

lag∞n, Sunday, 12 January 2020 20:57 (six days ago) link

i’m morbidly fascinated by people who believe it was *moral* to take money from epstein and, by extension, it would be “repugnant” to refuse nazi money

there's a school of thought that all money is dirty money, just as all money is fungible, therefore all money is equally amoral. that's different from saying accepting dirty money is *moral*, but the tweeter may not recognize this difference and may not be reporting the sentiments of those people accurately.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 12 January 2020 21:11 (six days ago) link

Accurately in what way? Like in context? She's copying and pasting their posts.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:20 (six days ago) link

the idea is to think of how many more scurrilous pamphlets the nazis might have been able to publish had you not convinced them to divert money to purely scientific interests like the engineering of rocket guidance systems

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:03 (six days ago) link

Or eugenics, coincidentally one of Epstein's pet subjects as well.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:25 (six days ago) link

BREAKING: Virgin Islands allege Jeffrey Epstein trafficked girls as young as 11 as recently as 2018 https://t.co/JJUq6KG0sS

— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) January 15, 2020

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:09 (three days ago) link

jfc

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 02:20 (two days ago) link

On the one hand, I have no time at all for the "Jeremy Epstein didn't kill himself" nonsense. On the other.. "Prince Andrew faces losing armed guard after 'downgrade' following Jeffrey Epstein scandal"

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/prince-andrew-losing-armed-guard-jeffrey-epstein-downgrade-a4336021.html

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:13 (two days ago) link

nice prince you got there, britain... be a shame if anything 'happened' to him

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:15 (two days ago) link

Prince Andrew faces losing armed guard after 'downgrade' following Jeffrey Epstein scandal

glad to see justice has finally been done

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:24 (two days ago) link

Maybe he'll end up on Canada with the other ex-Prince.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:47 (two days ago) link

as long as that’s all he ends up on, eh readers

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:48 (two days ago) link

Two birds with one stone type scenario.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:52 (two days ago) link


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