If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

The middle, falling in slow/fast motion bit of "Ramble Tamble" is Psych AND Heavy.

Similarly, hindsight being 20//20, I bet the word "psychedelic' meant very little back then, too, relative to the type of music being played, other than the fact that the fans were all taking drugs. Likewise later with the broad "punk" label, as if Blondie, the Ramones, Talking Heads, Television or whomever in New York sounded the least bit alike. Psychedelic, punk ... I suspect they were labels assigned as much to the fan bases as to the bands themselves.

"Acid Rock" was a term thrown alot at the time, and not so much after.

Also, speaking of Mountain appearing at Woodstock, Johnny Winter's trio that also appeared did real hard hjgh-energy stuff live.

Yeah - I am thinking there were probably some blues acts that had probably been doing quite intense, one-chord hard jamming relentlessness for awhile, I'm just too much of a dumbass to know who they were. Stuff like Cream, Zep etc of course were very heavy but usually still oriented around the idea of a pop song. They do not, how does one say, choogle. 100% agreed that the Woodstock Chooglin could EASILY go another 10 minutes and it would still not be enough to suit me

Led Zeppelin were oriented around the idea of a pop song? Talking of Woodstock acts, Canned Heat, though never what you would call heavy, certainly did their fair share of one chord hard jamming relentlessness.

i will admit it is difficult to draw the lines. i guess I'm saying there is a TRANCE-LIKE element fused to the bluesiness that is produced by relentless repetition. there's an artiness to zeppelin, an archness to cream, a down-home folksiness to canned heat, but ccr, on these live tracks? they are so incredibly raw, and forward, and unstoppable. it still feels fresh to me somehow, like new music rather than some curio.

I do actively hate them. Dr. C OTM.

One song I will allow: The one about Lodi is at least moderately tolerable. That's the highest compliment I can pay, sorry.

― Fryin' Berry and Lon Jennon (Bimble...), Friday, June 2, 2006 5:23 PM (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ten years gone. I like to think he would have come around....

Gothy stuff on the first album, plus a song later covered by Richard Hell.

(xp) Ten years after. I think Bimble would still hate them!

Funnily enough, I work with a guy who is an insane record collector and music nut and he doesn't like CCR, he thinks it's just blues rock, like Canned Heat.

I told him to listen to "Ramble Tamble" and he skipped through it in about 15 seconds and said, "Nah, it's just not my thing".

I learned last night that a good friend of mine doesn't like CCR. He doesn't like Fogerty's voice!

I think his voice can be a sticking point for some people.

shum people

I mean you sort of have to wonder if it's more the affect/schtick than the actual voice that would put someone off

on that note I am loving this so much but btw songs Fogerty really leans into the grizzled bluesman banter, p cringeworthy

It’s the same for me — I like his solo Fogerty stuff, but somehow his voice / singing style on the CCR material is a turnoff. (I wasn’t gonna bust into this thread and mention it, but now that the point’s been raised...)

dead to me

Underrated aero also a noted CCR hater

Who’d have thought?

itt: realizing that even ccr is vulnerable to subjectivity

i'm still coming to terms

I've gone through that too. First time I met someone who hated the Beatles. First time I met someone who hated Led Zeppelin. After those two perplexing events, I had actually decided that Creedence was the only band ever that was a safe haven. Then I learned (possible via ILM) that people hate CCR too. I'm completely adrift now.

Trying to come up with some portmanteau of “choogle” and “challops” but coming up short.

Thank god there’s never been a single consensus artist on ILM

like his solo Fogerty stuff,

his vocals are worse solo!

Thank god there’s never been a single consensus artist on ILM

― Οὖτις,

Fairly certain Al Green and Stevie Wonder come closest.

i've never heard anyone say they didn't like kraftwerk, but that might be because they don't want to break my fragile heart

Kraftwerk is easy to be indifferent to.

/ like his solo Fogerty stuff,/

his vocals are worse solo!

his vocals are worse solo!

I feel like he “grew into them” or something, idk. Centerfield was a big album for me as a kid, so I may be biased toward it for that reason.

Old Man Down the Road > Run Thru the Jungle ;)

Kraftwerk is easy to be indifferent to.

https://i.imgur.com/VoVVOuJ.gif

^^^ Lord Sotosyn-esque contrarianism. I approve.

Buy me a drink, hon.

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Doesn’t it have a song that is basically a rewrite of a Creedence song? “The Old Man Down The Road” being a rewrite of “Green River,” I think.

Nope -- "Run Through the Jungle," for which Fogerty got sued.

for plagiarizing himself

he doesn't like CCR, he thinks it's just blues rock, like Canned Heat.

Nope -- "Run Through the Jungle," for which Fogerty got sued.

Buy me a drink, hon.

With pleasure! Holler if you’re ever in the L.A. area

Zaentz can't dance.

Exactly

Seem to recall John complaining about Tom am telling him, perhaps during a deathbed non-conversion, “Saul Zaentz is my best friend.”

let him listen to effigy. at least he will drop that stupid comparison after

I don't think he would. To be honest, I think there was a bit of tit-for-tat going on because I'd shown insufficient interest in his plan for phoning up Edgar Broughton and meeting him for a chat.

the only good plan

Edgar, apparently a very friendly chap, always up for a natter.

I am aware that there is a TolstoyesqueNabokovianILX0rite tendency to say "All Heavy Music Is Alike" but it seems to me that the other acts cited here were mostly playing heavier music still primarily using Blues-based riffs and scales- following the trend of Rural Blues is not as loud as (Chicago)Electric Blues is not as loud as Blue Men Sing The Whites- perhaps mixed in with some other scales from popular or classical music (Harmonic Minor to thread!), whereas the kind of outside/atonal shredding over motorik beat of the Velvets and this live album are another beast from a different kitchen altogether.

What helps Fogerty's vocals go down easier is noticing how much young Fogerty looked like young (pre-gray hair) Steve Martin. They even make some of the same slack-jawed-yokel facial expressions.

Fwiw Effigy turned me from thinking CCR were a decent classic rock band to a true believer

^^^ i had the same experience.