If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

but chooglin by nature is eternal

This whole time I was thinking about it like chooglin’ is a CCR activity, like Fogerty was asking the others to keep on going.

but really, maybe this was just a plea for others to keep on chooglin’...maybe he knew CCR wouldn’t be able to keep on doing it for much longer, so he was trying to recruit new participants?

I prefer this latter explanation

then wouldn't he have said, "can anybody out there choogle?". The performance I thought was clearly revelling in the eternal choog. The band, the audience, everyone. The Woodstock show didn't need to be released because it has always been with us.

Some say this was the “song for everyone” that he references on green river

All that 1969 output...many are saying he knew the end of CCR was nigh, he knew he had to start a movement (a Revival?) to ensure the continuity of the chooglin’

This is all so fucked up

we're here. it happened.

omg

if you need to collect yourself, there's a bathroom on the right

I’m on my way to work. I have to work all day, like this

I’ll just calmly explain the situation to my boss, he’ll definitely understand

he knows as well, of the bathroom

Next time you have to go to the bathroom, just tell your boss you have to go choogle. they'll get it.

Where's Karl? Oh, he had to go choogle, he'll be back in a few.

Does anybody remember chooglin?

like that Aerosmith album, "Chooglin on Bobo"?

I am finally listening to some of the Woodstock performance now

CCR RULES

It's up on Spotify if you haven't got a physical copy yet.
I just bought a copy from ebay yesterday so hopefully have it next week.

Just a chooglin on down to New Orleans

this is fierce

yeah but that bass solo I dunno

I love the Royal Albert Hall 1970 clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAVhKjsImeI

but chooglin by nature is eternal

― maffew12, Friday, August 9, 2019 9:32 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Words to live by

yeah but that bass solo I dunno

Are there early CCR live sets from 67 or 68. I don't think I've come across much before '69 so am wondering. Like if there is much more along the lines of the first lp, though I think what I've heard of this Woodstock set is more in that direction.

What biographies of them are worth reading.

i just cannot imagine how anyone was ready for this in 1969. there was some heavy music, but nothing this relentless?? you've come out to a summer music festival, the archies are in the charts, you've heard some of jimi's heavy sound, you like some of those squawk blues vocals your sister's been playing you, you're curious and..... fuuuuuuck. maybe i'm making too much of this but i feel like it would be like coming into contact with an advanced alien intelligence.

"bootleg" sounds tremendous here

Well MC5, the Stooges and Blue Cheer were around. velvet underground with John cale had been pretty heavyish.
So had the Who, Yardbirds and a few others. Good to hear taht includes both eth Electrci Prunes and HP Lovecraft from their live sets.
Detroit area rock sound seemed to be based on Kicking out The Jams or live delivery , probably not true of everywhere though.
I'm not sure to what extent anybody from anywhere around the country would have got to see those bands mentioned live though.
Maybe if you have the drive to get up to upstate New York for this you would have heard things like that too.

I think i thought the live video footage that circulated a few years back was quite noisy etc

As in probably was thinking protopunk, sounds like it should be a detroit band. Bit different to the later sound etc.

So, seeing that the CCR Woodstock video footage must have been out before April 2008. Found a comment I made about having it from then, but not sure how long before taht I had it.

Well MC5, the Stooges and Blue Cheer were around. velvet underground with John cale had been pretty heavyish.

These bands were all tiny local cult phenomena. None of them had hit records and none of them played to more than a couple of hundred people outside their hometowns (and the VU not even that). 50 years of rockcrit hagiography has blinded people to the fact that these groups had effectively zero broad cultural penetration. One of the main reasons Iggy's televised performance was so shocking to people was that nobody had any idea who the fuck this nobody band was. Creedence, on the other hand, were a Top Forty band with big hit singles that everybody knew. So going to see them live one could reasonably expect an almost Monkees-ish evening of good-time party tunes, only to wind up getting bulldozed by the boogie.

XP The footage had been up on YouTube. Don't have the set at hand to check, but at least three clips were included on the 40th anniversary DVD/Blu-ray of the film.

Blue Cheer did have a hit! Also, before CCR had even released their debut album, "Vincebus Eruptum" got to 11 in the album charts. I would say the Who, Hendrix and Cream had all been playing some pretty heavy music - live at least.

Heavier music was infiltrating pop/rock by then for sure. The white album alone had several examples (eg helter skelter)

XP Fresh Cream is crazy heavy for '66.

I thought the first couple of CCR records were hard rock with some psychedelic touches, a bit different to the more Americana (or whatever you wanted to call it at the time) orientated later stuff.
Also think that not everybody would be making the trek up to upper New York even if quite a few did. But it took actual music fans to want to, it's not really something you could do without some degree of effort. Though not everybody is going to be familiar with everybody on a bill of course would think you would have some idea of current music to go. & it was about ROCK or FOLK or whatever not some mainstream saccharine chart pop or teenybop.
& that had me wondering if it took until punk or at least the time after Nuggets before the Monkees got rehabilitated into a band that non teenyboppers would listen to in a non-ironic way.

zep 1 had been out for six months

The first album definitely had psychdelic elements but it's an outlier because they'd gone by the second - this was the birth of the choogle after all! The cover makes you think it's going to be more psychedelic than it is.

Fogerty (J) took complete control of the band after the first album - songwriting, arrangements, production.

Again, fwiw, Mountain played Woodstock, so hard rock (as such) existed but perhaps hadn't been codified/cordoned off as its own thing just yet. I bet early on Black Sabbath and Zep fans had more in common with hippies than not, and perhaps even had mostly hippie fans, but I get the impression that all rock was more or less treated as hard rock or acid rock or whatever. The distinct subdivisions hadn't yet bubbled out of the counter-culture stew. I also get the impression that compared to what was going on just a few years earlier, rock music was just starting to get really loud, as the venues got bigger and the bands demanded bigger and bigger amps and the only way to be heard at all was to crank shit up. When the Beatles played their final show in '66, they could barely hear themselves and the music was being amplified through the baseball park's in-house speakers. By the late '60s groups had PA systems designed for rock bands, and the bands (lead by the Who, Hendrix and Cream) were beginning to tote along much bigger systems on tour, which allowed hard rock bands to, er, rock harder.

The middle, falling in slow/fast motion bit of "Ramble Tamble" is Psych AND Heavy.

Similarly, hindsight being 20//20, I bet the word "psychedelic' meant very little back then, too, relative to the type of music being played, other than the fact that the fans were all taking drugs. Likewise later with the broad "punk" label, as if Blondie, the Ramones, Talking Heads, Television or whomever in New York sounded the least bit alike. Psychedelic, punk ... I suspect they were labels assigned as much to the fan bases as to the bands themselves.

"Acid Rock" was a term thrown alot at the time, and not so much after.

Also, speaking of Mountain appearing at Woodstock, Johnny Winter's trio that also appeared did real hard hjgh-energy stuff live.

Yeah - I am thinking there were probably some blues acts that had probably been doing quite intense, one-chord hard jamming relentlessness for awhile, I'm just too much of a dumbass to know who they were. Stuff like Cream, Zep etc of course were very heavy but usually still oriented around the idea of a pop song. They do not, how does one say, choogle. 100% agreed that the Woodstock Chooglin could EASILY go another 10 minutes and it would still not be enough to suit me

Led Zeppelin were oriented around the idea of a pop song? Talking of Woodstock acts, Canned Heat, though never what you would call heavy, certainly did their fair share of one chord hard jamming relentlessness.

i will admit it is difficult to draw the lines. i guess I'm saying there is a TRANCE-LIKE element fused to the bluesiness that is produced by relentless repetition. there's an artiness to zeppelin, an archness to cream, a down-home folksiness to canned heat, but ccr, on these live tracks? they are so incredibly raw, and forward, and unstoppable. it still feels fresh to me somehow, like new music rather than some curio.

I do actively hate them. Dr. C OTM.

One song I will allow: The one about Lodi is at least moderately tolerable. That's the highest compliment I can pay, sorry.

― Fryin' Berry and Lon Jennon (Bimble...), Friday, June 2, 2006 5:23 PM (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ten years gone. I like to think he would have come around....

Gothy stuff on the first album, plus a song later covered by Richard Hell.

(xp) Ten years after. I think Bimble would still hate them!

Funnily enough, I work with a guy who is an insane record collector and music nut and he doesn't like CCR, he thinks it's just blues rock, like Canned Heat.