Rolling Classical 2019

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I really like Lash's Sonata for Harp, released on Bandcamp in 2016. I think we talked about it a bit at the time in the context of 'neo-Romanticism'. Just a well-crafted composition written solidly in a traditional form using a modern but tonal harmonic language and some asymmetrical metres, without any of the bombast that usually comes with 'neo-Romanticism'; she played it sensitively and the recording sounded beautiful. I'll definitely look out for this collaboration with JACK. Sounds like she might be pushing the envelope a little more with some of this stuff.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 9 August 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link

You're right, I'd completely forgotten. I'll have to listen to the Sonata for Harp again in light of the disc with the JACK Quartet.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 August 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link

Speaking of which, Saariaho's Harp Concerto is quite good. It's on a recent Ondine disc with True Fire, a decent song cycle for baritone and orchestra she wrote for the great Gerald Finley, and Ciel d'hiver, a rather more featureless tone poem that exemplifies most of what I dislike about her late style.

pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 13:38 (four years ago) link

Oh, and on the subject of canonical contemporary Nordic composers, Whirl's World, Per Nørgård's latest Dacapo disc, showcasing four chamber works, including the Suite he drew from Babette's Feast, is top drawer stuff. But then again I love his music almost indiscriminately.

pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link

Listening to Jean Barraqué's Piano Sonata again for the nth time. I still have no idea why this work is supposed to be so compelling and important.

pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link

This is the Saariaho harp concerto?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LbM7Y9P6Y
https://saariaho.org/works/trans/

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link

Yep.

pomenitul, Monday, 12 August 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link

As expected, Aki Takahashi's recording of Morton Feldman's For Bunita Marcus is perfectly idiomatic.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link

Oh, I've seen that piece performed live at the Music Gallery in Toronto in the early to mid-00s. (Don't remember the pianist.) I remember it being a lovely, meditative experience.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link

I saw Takahashi perform it in New York in the early 2000s sometime. It was pretty amazing.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 15 August 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link

A quick ilx search revealed who the pianist was:

I just got back from seeing Brigitte Poulin play Morton Feldman's For Bunita Marcus at the Music Gallery. It was a very serene 90 minutes contemplating the complexities of life while picking out patterns of light and shade in the stained glass in my doped-up haze while the sparse piano tones rang into each other. I listened to a Derek Bailey/Evan Parker concert from 1980 too today BTW. Also Sonny Sharrock, the Beatles, Funkadelic, De La Soul, and Beck
― sund4r subramanian (sund4r), samedi 24 mai 2003 21:20 (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 16 August 2019 04:16 (four years ago) link

Sund4r, what do you make of this stuff? I'm curious…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBaXl3xuumE

pomenitul, Friday, 16 August 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link

I''ll listen tonight!

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 16 August 2019 19:56 (four years ago) link

I liked that a lot. Pretty impressive how they managed to sustain my interest over 18 and a half minutes of noise. I found Prins's sounds really appealing and there was a lot of very effective variation and development in timbre, texture, and dynamics. Dramatic. Interesting that, judging by how intently they seem to be reading their scores, I'm guessing it's fairly strictly notated? I'd be interested to know more about what the score is like and what sorts of processing are going on. Looks like Deutsch might be using the same Behringer MIDI foot controller I have.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link

I'll give it another shot then. I listened to it yesterday as part of Prins's Kairos monograph and while I really admire his sense of texture, I struggled to make out even the least iota of a continuous form, although I wasn't listening very intently, either. I don't get that as much with, say, Richard Barrett, of whom he reminds me in some ways.

pomenitul, Saturday, 17 August 2019 09:16 (four years ago) link

Continuous form = rockist

Seriously, if I hadn't seen them reading sheet music, I would have guessed it was a free improvisation (and I enjoy a lot of free improv). It definitely doesn't have the kind of evident sectional form that you find in Barrett's transmission (which, possibly ironically, does include improvised sections). However, I felt like the guitar and live electronic parts were conversing effectively. I also have a pretty high tolerance for guitar/electronics, though.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 17 August 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link

lol then this can only mean one thing: Stefan Prins is an arch-poptimist.

Speaking of music for guitar, you may also be interested in this album (which I haven't heard yet):

http://hundredyearsgallery.co.uk/refracted-resonance/

pomenitul, Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link

Oh, thanks. Tellur is a great piece.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 17 August 2019 14:55 (four years ago) link

I take it back. Not I was really compelling the second time around, no less than the rest of that Kairos disc. I need to watch the accompanying DVD as well.

pomenitul, Sunday, 18 August 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link

Started reading Marilyn Nonken’s The Spectral Piano. Really good so far.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 August 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link

That sounds interesting.

I'm still listening to Gann's Hyperchromatica all the time in the van. It's starting to turn into comfort food.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 18 August 2019 22:08 (four years ago) link

Thanks for the heads up, Jon. I've added it to my reading list.

pomenitul, Monday, 19 August 2019 10:34 (four years ago) link

As expected, Aki Takahashi's recording of Morton Feldman's For Bunita Marcus is perfectly idiomatic.

― pomenitul, Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:00 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

really love this, thanks.

apparently my jam is lengthy motionless piano works

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 26 August 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link

Check out Musica Callada by Mompou in that case

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 11:57 (four years ago) link

cosign!

pomenitul, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 12:27 (four years ago) link

wow otm. I uh, might have to try n play some of these.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link

On the topic of Spanish composers, I saw an interesting and provocative talk by Stephen Goss on Sunday titled "The Guitar and the Politics of Nostalgia: the mutability of history through an
Arcadian retrotopia." He began by talking about how right-wing political movements (MAGA, "Taking Back Control") often construct myths of a glorious past (an "Arcadian retrotopia") and then connected this "politics of nostalgia" to the history of the classical guitar: first, its anachronistic presence in 19th c English and French literary and artistic depictions of medieval Spain (apparently weirdly regarded as exotic, 'Oriental', and primitive at the time) and then, the way it became reappropriated as a symbol of Spanish nationalist identity in the 20th century, especially in the Franco regime after the Civil War. Rodrigo in particular was discussed as a (hyper-conservative, neo-Romantic) composer whose work was used this way. The whole Segovia project was also examined: the way he virtually constructed a 'classical' repertoire for the instrument by commissioning this stable of conservative Spanish (sometimes Latin American) composers to write neo-Romantic music, in which he was highly interventionist, and commissioned transcriptions of canonical works for other instruments. A quick search afterwards did reveal that we now know Segovia to have privately been a strong supporter of Franco, something I might have figured out if I'd thought about it for 10 minutes: https://books.google.ca/books?id=ORsxDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA92&dq=andres%20segovia%20politics%20franco&hl=fr&pg=PA92#v=onepage&q=andres%20segovia%20politics%20franco&f=false

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link

Speaking of reactionary neo-Romantics, I tried listening to Rolf Martinsson's latest BIS monograph, Into Eternity, and was tempted to post about it in the rolling worst 2019 music thread. Tbf, the works themselves range from 2012 to 2015 and Martinsson studied under Brian Ferneyhough – neither of which you'd guess based on the sub-Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer orchestral writing and programmatic attempt at erasing the 20th century from living memory (except for Strauss and Mahler and maybe Florent Schmitt). I'd be curious to hear some of his earlier works, which are reportedly arch-modernist in idiom.

pomenitul, Thursday, 29 August 2019 09:04 (four years ago) link

My curiosity didn't really last more than 3m into a Youtube of the piece "Into Eternity" (and I like Rodrigo). Listening to the new Hannah Lash now.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 August 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link

I like Rodrigo too btw.

Also on the neo-Romantic end of things and very much within the Vaughan Williams tradition of British pastoralism (although Bryars and Skempton spring to mind as well), for which I usually have little to no patience, Edmund Finnis's The Air, Turning, his debut disc for NMC, is really quite gorgeous, as though Richard Skelton were no longer an outsider, able to thoroughly draw upon the institutional resources that be (a full orchestra, various well-known chamber ensembles, the inexplicably trendy Víkingur Ólafsson, etc.). Late Sibelius also pointedly looms in the background (the UK really has the hots for him, not that I mind), including his less facilely sublime moods (the 7th Symphony, The Tempest, etc.), which I love best. And the solo violin piece Elsewhere wouldn't be out of place on a recital featuring Sciarrino's Sei capricci, all frayed threads and reverberating glissandos, so there's no outright rejection of modernism here, just a single-minded commitment to Beauty via less old-fashioned means. Amping up the tension a wee bit would probably suit my preferences better, but this is a fine beginning.

pomenitul, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link

inexplicably trendy Víkingur Ólafsson

nothing inexplicable, he's a cutie

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 30 August 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link

Heh, fair enough.

pomenitul, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link

Maybe it's just me but Terry Riley's Sun Rings (for the Kronos Quartet) is fucking awful despite its appealing premise. Meaningless gesture after meaningless gesture ad infinitum. At least Salome Dances for Peace had some memorable movements.

pomenitul, Saturday, 7 September 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link

Tbf the final two episodes, 'Venus Upstream', played con moto perpetuo, and 'One Earth, One People, One' are at least somewhat salvageable.

pomenitul, Saturday, 7 September 2019 09:39 (four years ago) link

Maybe it's just me but Peter Mattei's recording of Winterreise with Lars David Nilsson is fucking incredible.

pomenitul, Monday, 9 September 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link

Gave a good listen at a high enough volume to Lash's "Frayed" from the JACK quartet disc this morning and it sounded really striking.

I like Winterreise a lot so I'll listen to the one you recommend.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link

I love Winterreise but it's another month or so before I allow myself to listen to it. Bookmarked tho

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link

Mattei's Winterreise isn't the grimmest or most frostbitten (barring a handful of nameless self-parodic attempts, I'm tempted to grant that title to Matthias Goerne's first recording with Graham Johnson) but it's quite theatrical and isn't afraid to go for broke. Mostly I just love Mattei's voice – his disc of Mahler's orchestral Lieder with the Norrköping Symphony Orchestra also blew me away when it came out four years ago. But yeah, Winterreise in any way, shape or form just guts you.

pomenitul, Monday, 9 September 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link

I saw Roderick Williams and Christopher Glyn performing an English translation a couple of years ago and altho I have my doubts about lyrics in translation this was really well done, it worked for and Williams is a lovely, intimate singer

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link

I've come around – there's no cause to shoot such attempts down on principle. Looks like a recording is available, so I'll check it out soon.

pomenitul, Monday, 9 September 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link

You're not wrong about Mattei's voice. I'm liking this a lot four tracks in. The recording is also very pleasant-sounding.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 9 September 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link

Don’t forget Hans Zender’s ‘composed interpretation’ of Winterreise when you really want to flip your wig.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link

All rankings are worthless and arbitrary, etc., etc., no doubt about it, but it's still an amusing exercise that contemporary classical isn't often afforded:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/sep/12/best-classical-music-works-of-the-21st-century

pomenitul, Friday, 13 September 2019 09:08 (four years ago) link

16 of the 25 greatest classical works of the 21st century were written by anglophone composers. 🤔

pomenitul, Friday, 13 September 2019 09:13 (four years ago) link

I was scrolling through the list getting angrier and angrier that they left off 'Let Me Tell You'... Which of course was also written for, and after an idea by, an anglophone performer.

Frederik B, Friday, 13 September 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link

Thanks: stuff to check out. But omg their critics love vocal music. The top 7 are either operas or song cycles (and I think six of those are operas)!

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 13 September 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link

That might partly explain the anglophone slant (?), although tbf a 64% anglo share is much lower than what you would find on a list of greatest pop or jazz releases in an English-language paper. Tbh, the majority of the contemporary composers I like probably are anglophones, tbh. Always happy to learn more.

But an even greater percentage of the new notated music I see consists primarily of solo or chamber music (or of makeshift versions of larger ensembles, e.g. guitar orchestras). Who tf writes operas??

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 13 September 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link

I think a lot of people write chamber operas? I liked the discussion I saw recently of what was the best long full orchestra piece, 45 min+. It was kinda hard to make a list (though Andrew Normans Play is obviously missing from the Guardian list).

Frederik B, Friday, 13 September 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link

which you'd guess based on the sub-Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer orchestral writing and programmatic attempt at erasing the 20th century from living memory (except for Strauss and Mahler and maybe Florent Schmitt). I'd be curious to hear some of his earlier works, which are reportedly arch-modernist in idiom.

― pomenitul

fucking hell, florent schmitt is about the only composer i'd argue _should_ be erased from living memory (not for artistic reasons, admittedly)

sock fingering, baby (rushomancy), Friday, 13 September 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link

I'd be happy to erase him from living memory and consign his works to anonymity. They would still be played but no one would know who wrote them. One can dream…

pomenitul, Friday, 13 September 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link


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