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No, it stems from the prose itself. The terror-stricken struggle with language is there at every step.

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link

He speaks of writing as an 'obligation' to express.

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link

fwiw I always got him confused with that comedian

sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link

Yeah, but Beckett was "performing" "Samuel Beckett" in a lot of his writing. Remember, his early stuff was super-Joycean and positively besotted with word-power and language's expressive capability. His later, minimal stuff was a reaction, and he fully understood the absurdity of what he was trying to do.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link

Hm. I understand your point now, but I know few writers for whom a struggle with language wasn't a terror!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link

though i do wish we had threads for shows like Insecure and Dear White People ...

*AHEM*
Issa Ray's "Insecure" HBO show

I am bummed no one posts on that thread but me tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link

most thread here could be titled Insecure and Dear White People imo

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link

lol

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link

*clink*

sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link

I didn't post about TM because it's like leaving a scribbled note at the foot of a mountain and besides I don't feel qualified (short version: I'm insecure and white). Then I dribbled some inadequate bollocks on the thread and am thinking I'll stick with my insecurity from now on.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link

Yeah, but Beckett was "performing" "Samuel Beckett" in a lot of his writing. Remember, his early stuff was super-Joycean and positively besotted with word-power and language's expressive capability. His later, minimal stuff was a reaction, and he fully understood the absurdity of what he was trying to do.

All writers perform 'themselves' on some level (and Beckett was more aware of this than most, as evidenced by the never-ending authorial chain in The Unnamable, for instance), but his early stuff is already shot through with 'great black pauses', as he says with reference to Beethoven's 7th. Its stylistic lavishness often comes across as a front, which is almost never the case in Joyce's writings.

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link

Btw Alfred, you're certainly right to point out that a difficult relationship with language isn't necessarily indicative of terror or torture or tortuousness, etc. Conversely, some writers claim to loathe the ease with which they write. Whether this is made manifest in the prose (or poetry) itself varies from author to author, but I would argue that in Beckett's case it most certainly is (that said, the opposite argument has been made, and I don't think it unpersuasive!).

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link

fair enough! That makes sense.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link

think yer all wrong and prob wilfully so but cba needling the winkle out of the shell

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link

Conversely, some writers claim to loathe the ease with which they write

aaaaaah screw these people!

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link

black, white, purple

sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link

aaaaaah screw these people!

cosign

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link

most threads here could be titled "aaaaaah screw these people!"

sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link

aaaaaah screw these people!

― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili),

John Updike is dead!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link

Who are these writers that curse themselves for writing too easily? Damn their eyes.

“No it is not easy to write. It is as hard as breaking rocks. Sparks and splinters fly like shattered steel” Clarice Lispector.

Oh yeah, Updike. I imagine Paul Theroux is another.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link

aaaaaah screw these people!

― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili),

John Updike is dead!

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:25 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah but with updike you could really tell writing came easily

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link

Trump calls the El Paso gunman a “coward” while speaking to local law enforcement. “He gave up, just gave up."

— Claudia Koerner (@ClaudiaKoerner) August 7, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link

cannot

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 August 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link

Re:writers and language, it makes me think of Nabokov's commentary on Lolita where he's like, "btw, I could have written this soooo much better in Russian," when most writers in English would kill to be able to write like Nabokov.

Lily Dale, Thursday, 8 August 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link

Wow, this inspired poll idea is just what ILM needed!

breastcrawl, Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link

lol speaking of petri dishes going sour

cheese canopy (map), Saturday, 10 August 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link

jesus u rly are just the american _____ arent u

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link

he's coming to your board
with his righteous sword
he's the american ____________________

sarahell, Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link

It's like ten spoons when all you need is a trife.

Tim, Monday, 12 August 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link

One of the train operators in the UK is called Trenitalia and I'm having a hard time ignoring that name. But people would probably be Offended if I suggested it would be a great name for trans genitalia, wouldn't they?

StanM, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 09:00 (four years ago) link

It's a state owned Italian train company, of course. We were stupid enough to privatise ours.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 09:18 (four years ago) link

hey at least we are subsidising cheap train tickets for Madeleina Kay's well publicised European adventures, although it would be ideal if she could fly (off a bridge for starters!)

calzino, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 09:37 (four years ago) link

UK based private train operators received £3.8bn in gov subsidies last year, wonder how much of that went straight into the pockets of shareholders.

calzino, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link

Finland is not part of Eastern Europe

Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link

See parenthesis.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link

I mean, you're technically correct, but these categories are quite porous in my book. And geographically, it's mostly East of Kaliningrad, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, etc.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link

Sure, but so is Greece. It's Northern Europe / Scandinavia, and it was a part of Sweden for far longer than it was a part of Russia. I mean, I'd ask my Finnish friend if she feels more connected to Sweden or Russia, but it would feel kinda silly, since we speak Swedish with each other.,,

Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link

what if you asked her in russian

rob, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link

Before long, it shall again become a part of Sweden, god willing. The days of Finnish sovereignty are numbered, of this I promise you.

del griffith, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link

finn de siècle

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link

Greece is also arguably part of Eastern Europe. See: Byzantium, Orthodox Christianity, etc.

Finland is undoubtedly not Eastern European if we go by the usual taxonomy. But these things are hardly set in stone (see also: is Mexico part of North or Central America? is the Czech Republic Central or Eastern European? etc.).

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link

it's all basque to me

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link

On a completely unrelated note, the z isn't silent. It would have made for a solid pun otherwise.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link

Byantium?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link

lol, it didn't cross my mind. That particular post was in reference to something else entirely.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link

well youre focusing on what matters anyway

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 26 August 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link

What becomes of the broken-tarted

Rumspringsteen (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 26 August 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link

Finland is not scandinavian

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 August 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link

nabisco otm

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 00:24 (four years ago) link


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